The majority of the USA infection is in just one metro area (Ny/NJ). With a couple of smaller exceptions, this virus has been tremendously overblown. And still several times the number of people usually die from seasonal flu which we don’t shut the country down for. Just saying a little perspective from the experience we now have — will enable the politicians to end this Lockdown of America now.
You're right it can be discussed forever, the world will only every know one way it dealt with it (though some countries varying.) Mostly the coulda woulda shoulda is educated ... not guessing ... but incomplete deduction ... some deduction, some guess-induction.
That said, to me the overriding reality of the virus is that it does the same thing everywhere. It explodes then chills out. Sweden's CURVE says economic shut down is not the answer. I think they are running a higher death count per million but not by a hell of a lot and arguably they are just sucking up their deaths early -> i.e., slightly less flat curve, so to speak, but same volume underneath the curve when the fat lady sings.
It's time to re-open, and those who feel themselves frail or simply have less tolerance for risk - be they snowflakes, or wise, or simply biochemically different when it comes to risk tolerance -> it's time for those of us who want to go play the sport of being American again to go out onto the field. Those who want to watch from the stands are free to do so, for a short while, and those who want to stay out of the stadium are also free to do so.
Life itself is risk. Death smiles at us all. It's time for those of us who want to ... to be free to smile back.
That may sound unscientific, but I say it having reviewed the numbers in depth like many have. I think those who know the MOST about this are the LEAST afraid. And knowing about this does not require being an epidemiologist. Their models are incomplete too. YES there are unknowns about possible lasting effects after recovering. But that's frankly true every time you take a drink of booze, or go driving in your car, or start a relationship, or a job, or new hobby, or roll out of bed.
Again, as Marcus Aurelius said: Death smiles as us all. All a man can do is smile back.
The only other choice is willful ignorance or fear. Not for me, and not for most Americans.
We should go forward with our eyes open, knowing we may look back and regret a step because we didn't have the luxury of knowing everything, have some patience with and respect for the rational of the fearful but not allow them to drag us into their obsessions ... and get out there and git 'er done.
There comes a time with you know enough, not everything, but enough, that its' time to declare "F*ck it."
Are we sure Sweden is going to drop similar to other places where quarantines are in place.
I was thinking I saw they are still on the upswing in cases. Until it actually shows a decrease like places with quarantines I will not necessarily believe this hypothesis.
For Italy and New York, the barn door was shut long after the horses ran away..... Both areas were probably completely infected, and death tolls are similar....for Cuomo to say that steep drop in hospitalizations is absolutely due to quarantine is self serving BS.... At this point it’s a question of whether other parts of the country can avoid the same kind of per capita deaths that New York and Italy suffered...but the coronapocalypse doesn’t seem to be materializing anywhere
Looks like Fauci scammed America and Trump.
As Thatcher said, we only need to fail once in their attempted attacks and scams. Global Warming is one such
I believe Sweden did nothing in the hopes that the corona virus would take care of their Muslim problem.
Lockdown is not “social distancing”. You can do all sorts of social distancing without actually locking people up in their houses and shuttering their businesses.
The article of course does not address “how many people could die”. It is an actual case study, looking at the actual results in multiple countries.
And it finds what I noticed, and is easy to see — every country, no matter when they start their lockdowns, or if they do them or not, seems to have the same curve.
ANd states in our country have the same curve, even though some got the virus early and locked down late (new york), while others started growing after their lockdowns (virginia).
It seems remarkably odd that all the curves are the same, but odder is that we hit some peak even if we don’t change behavior, and the peak does not nearly correspond to the herd immunity numbers, as peaks usually do in these graphs.
I’m still holding out hope that this indicates a large population of infected but symptomless, or better a large population of naturally immune people.
It seems the taboo topic that no one talks about is the sanitary habits of those most affected. There are some groups of people that have extremely bad sanitary habits. Which groups are affected more than others? Now look at their sanitary behavior.
Hindsight always suggests where the original errors/misreadings may have been and then it becomes a modified version of "fuzzy logic" built around the data that was collected being mixed with other suppositions...I'm heartened by this article though.