Posted on 04/11/2020 8:09:54 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
During this COVID-19 pandemic, Pierce County, Washington residents expect our public health system to aggressively confront the virus.
Data from South Korea and France demonstrate hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin taken orally for five days have striking results — for example, 95% of severely ill treated patients had symptoms quickly resolved, vs. 25% of untreated patients —and evidence builds that malaria and lupus sufferers taking hydroxychloroquine are COVID-resistant.
These are not “gold standard” double-blind studies. But a delta of 70 points is strong evidence that hydroxychloroquine suppresses viral replication and mitigates disease severity, preventing hospitalizations.
Our health experts have known about this treatment for a long time, but still resist recommending it for use before a symptomatic patient must be hospitalized. Why?
Are they afraid of a “run” on these meds? That word makes us think of a mosh pit of people grabbing for toilet paper at the grocery store.
But these meds require a doctor’s visit, where the doctor identifies the patient’s symptoms and risk profile, and writes the prescription if it’s called for. Then a pharmacist checks the prescription and dispenses the meds. The fear of a “run” just isn’t real.
Are they afraid hydroxychloroquine won’t be available for rheumatoid arthritis or lupus patients? Its half-life is 40 days (that’s how long it stays in the patient’s system after being ingested); it is often not the primary med for R.A.; and the supply can be replenished quickly, as it has been recently.
Meantime, fewer elders with co-morbidities will be hospitalized and die with COVID.
Are they afraid of side effects? Those haven’t kept doctors from prescribing hydroxychloroquine for R.A. or lupus, so why the great concern with COVID?
Remember, these same experts knew weeks ago that non-symptomatic COVID carriers could infect others but told us wearing a mask wasn’t effective to suppress its spread. Last week, they admitted that’s untrue.
Are they afraid hydroxychloroquine doesn’t have final FDA approval for COVID? Doctors often prescribe medications “off-label” after assessing the patient’s health and the risks and benefits. Now even the FDA has approved this.
Worst case, it doesn’t work. Best case, it does. So why not use it with high-risk patients who have COVID symptoms, to prevent hospitalization?
Are they afraid it will displace another effective treatment? Unlikely, since there isn’t another one generally available. The public health system is touting the infusion drug remdesivir, which requires hospitalization, also has side effects (like infections at the infusion site) and will cost hundreds of times the cost of two little pills taken at home for 5 days.
Maybe remdesivir’s huge income potential for the health system is relevant to this conversation.
Are they afraid that stories of hydroxychloroquine’s healing effects are true, so they call them “just anecdotal?” Well, a delta of 70 is a little more than “anecdotal.” And if it’s your spouse or favorite auntie, avoiding severe health problems is a pretty powerful outcome to be dismissed with “just.”
The thousands of known “anecdotes” are real stories about health recovered, hospitalizations prevented, COVID’s spread in a home stopped and lives saved; they cannot be so easily dismissed. And they are being acted upon outside of our health system.
As our public health experts wait for more research, or for a higher authority to give its approval, hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin are being used around the world to attack COVID and prevent hospitalizations.
It is past time for health experts here to suppress their fears, use their reason and fulfill their primary duty to protect our community’s health. Our neighbors are dying for it.
RE: There have never been clinical trials on Covid19 with Remdesivir.
I believe they are ongoing even as I write this.
The question is — compared to HCQ + Azithromycin + Zinc, how effective is Remdesivir? ( at what stage of the disease for instance? ).
Also, what is the total cost to a patient for the treatment?
HCQ + Azithromycin + Zinc is somewhere north of $25 I think for the total treatment.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Not only THAT, A preventative daily dosage of HCQ and Zinc vitamin will prevent the majority of people from becoming infected with Covid-19. The daily dosage is simply taken:
1x220 mg tablet of HCQ ( Plaquenil) per day, AND 1 x 100 mg of Zinc Vitamin per day).
HCQ can be a HUGE help in putting America back to work.
Its time for the President to release the HCQ kraken.
RE: 1x220 mg tablet of HCQ ( Plaquenil) per day, AND 1 x 100 mg of Zinc Vitamin per day).
May I ask, was this recommended dosage for prophylaxis ever studied at all? Which doctor recommended this?
In short, without clinical trials how do we know that those given Hydroxychloroquine wouldn't have recovered without it or how many recovered because of it? We don't.
The doctor who made the biggest splash at first was Dr. Zelenko of the New York Hassidic community, who was saving his
elderly Hassidic Community from death.
Here is his letter with a video interview link as well:
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EXCELLENT NEWS: Hydroxychloroquine Treatment Effective on 699 Patients
Must see video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TJdjhd_XG8&t=586s
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Dr. Vladimir (Zev) Zelenko
Board Certified Family Practitioner
501 Rt 208, Monroe, NY 10950
845-238-0000
March 23, 2020
To all medical professionals around the world:
My name is Dr. Zev Zelenko and I practice medicine in Monroe, NY. For the last 16 years, I have cared for approximately 75% of the adult population of Kiryas Joel, which is a very close knit community of approximately 35,000 people in which the infection spread rapidly and unchecked prior to the imposition of social distancing.
As of today my team has tested approximately 200 people from this community for Covid-19, and 65% of the results have been positive. If extrapolated to the entire community, that means more than 20,000 people are infected at the present time. Of this group, I estimate that there are 1500 patients who are in the high-risk category (i.e. >60, immunocompromised, comorbidities, etc).
Given the urgency of the situation, I developed the following treatment protocol in the pre-hospital setting and have seen only positive results:
1. Any patient with shortness of breath regardless of age is treated.
2. Any patient in the high-risk category even with just mild symptoms is treated.
3. Young, healthy and low risk patients even with symptoms are not treated (unless their circumstances change and they fall into category 1 or 2).
My out-patient treatment regimen is as follows:
1. Hydroxychloroquine 200mg twice a day for 5 days
2. Azithromycin 500mg once a day for 5 days
3. Zinc sulfate 220mg once a day for 5 days
The rationale for my treatment plan is as follows. I combined the data available from China and South Korea with the recent study published from France (sites available on request). We know that hydroxychloroquine helps Zinc enter the cell. We know that Zinc slows viral replication within the cell. Regarding the use of azithromycin, I postulate it prevents secondary bacterial infections. These three drugs are well known and usually well tolerated, hence the risk to the patient is low.
Since last Thursday, my team has treated approximately 350 patients in Kiryas Joel and another 150 patients in other areas of New York with the above regimen.
Of this group and the information provided to me by affiliated medical teams, we have had ZERO deaths, ZERO hospitalizations, and ZERO intubations. In addition, I have not heard of any negative side effects other than approximately 10% of patients with temporary nausea and diarrhea.
In sum, my urgent recommendation is to initiate treatment in the outpatient setting as soon as possible in accordance with the above. Based on my direct experience, it prevents acute respiratory distress syndrome (ARDS), prevents the need for hospitalization and saves lives.
With much respect,
Dr. Zev Zelenko
cc: President Donald Trump, Mark Meadows
May I ask, was this recommended dosage for prophylaxis ever studied at all? Which doctor recommended this?>>>>>>>>>
This was reported by Dr. Zelenko of New York’s Hassidic Community and was being used by Jewish physicians as early as March 3rd in New York State.many doctors have stated right on Fox News they were using this prophylactic dosage.It works.
No it has not been studied, There has been no time, space or money to do that.
But you must understand the context of Hassidic hostory of innovation , resilience and effectiveness of the Hassidic medical community who have brought heir own people through hundreds of years or wars and the holocaust.
If the Hassidim say it woirks, it sure as hell does. To them HCQ is en empowerment of Pasover form G-d.
Meanwhile our country fiddles and burns while the Jews are “passed over.” Nothing has changed much.
I posted the Zelenko letter up thread.
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Doctors are not saints. It seems they stop learning when they leave med school. The medicine they do practice is what the medical establishment approves.
Many can be evil. Nazi doctors performed hideous experiments on concentration camp prisoners, for example.
President George Washington died because from his doctors treatment when he caught pneumonia.
“Obesity and high blood pressure have been mentioned as the most common precursors to death from covid. I’m wondering this; since obesity usually results in high blood pressure and most people with hypertension take medication, could high blood pressure medication exacerbate the virus as ibuprofen does?
Just wondering .”
Good question. I would think that there have been enough people in NYC and NOLA who have passed away recently from, allegedly, COVID-19 to study to see which ones had untreated hypertension and which ones were taking medication to see what the correlations are.
It’s all because of politics, not because of the effectiveness of the drug. There are certain people who do not want the pandemic to end before Election Day.
At least one BP med has some indication of being an effective agent AGAINST the COV. Can't recall which one (it is one of those I take) right now. I think it might be losartan.
Not a useful article...too few details.
Yes, we do. The studies were relatively small, but the science is "good enough" to make a positive decision. HCQ plus Z-pack eliminates viral load in six days. Without takes longer than 12 days and not full elimination.
Yes it is! Thank you for confirming what I've been feeling from the get-go.
Fauci and Brix are tight as thieves with Gates. Back in Oct. at their Event 201, they were presenting their mRNA-1273 pandemic vaccine. That was Oct., hmmm.
SPJNK.
From the article:
“...The public health system is touting the infusion drug remdesivir, which requires hospitalization, also has side effects (like infections at the infusion site) and will cost hundreds of times the cost of two little pills taken at home for 5 days.
Maybe remdesivir’s huge income potential for the health system is relevant to this conversation. ...”
Good on the author of the article to unload on the cost of hydroxy + azithro vs. rwmdesivir !
I have nothing against Remdesivir. If it works, so much the better.
But we need to know its effectivity vs the less costly combo of HCQ + Azithromycin + Zinc and AT WHAT STAGE of the disease.
If Remdesivir is much more effective than the HCQ + Azithromycin + Zinc, by all means, let’s use it.
If the effectivity is equal or less than the combo, I don’t see why we should be favoring it over the combo.
kiryandil wrote:
“The efficacy of the drug Remdesivir is also anecdotal.
There have never been clinical trials on Covid19 with Remdesivir.”
But they we’re making remdesivir available to the military:
Plus, with the cost of the drug - someone(s) is cashing in...
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