Interesting that the "no response" group scored higher than all the other groups except at the high end where they were edged out by the Asians. That proves that smart people keep their mouths shut when faced with intrusive questions.
Posted on 02/02/2020 10:35:07 AM PST by karpov
As schools like the University of California consider dropping the SAT as a requirement for admission due to concern that the test is biased, they run up against another question with a potentially bigger impact for students and their families: Should they continue to use SAT scores to award scholarships?
Colleges and universities give out about $30 billion a year in merit aid, which is often based on a student’s SAT or ACT. An additional $2 billion in merit aid distributed by states hinges on standardized test scores.
Worcester Polytechnic Institute in Massachusetts stopped using the test for merit scholarships last year, said Andrew Palumbo, dean of admission. Instead, the school is weighing grades, community service and leadership. The school has made the SAT optional for applicants since 2007.
“Using the tests doesn’t help us achieve our goals” of diversifying the student body, he said. Students who apply without the test are just as successful as undergraduates as peers who do submit the test, he said.
The College Board, the New York-based nonprofit that oversees the SAT, said it has worried for years about income inequality influencing test results. White students scored an average of 177 points higher than black students did and 133 points higher than Hispanic students did in 2018 results. Asian students scored 100 points higher than white students did. The children of wealthy and college-educated parents outperformed their classmates.
Those gaps don’t reflect bias in the test itself but the lopsided distribution of resources across K-12 schools, the College Board has said. The College Board gives schools data to see students’ socioeconomic profile and considered creating a score to reflect this, a plan it dropped amid public objection.
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I had a wonderful country doc that was not top of his class. Probably closer to mid lower range.
He did, however, have a steady hand with a needle, knew how to set bones in the cattle yard, and was humble enough to ask for help when he got stuck.
In short, he was a great doctor. He had troubles memorizing, but became a great old school country doctor.
He died a decade ago. I would not hesitate to go to him today if he was alive.
I realize not every physician is going to be a ball of fire in the university. If your heart is in the right place and you struggle, I think you can still be a good physician.
My problem is with people who think that a college education and a diploma are owed to them, and don’t bear down to achieve as much as they can.
I will still state that as a general rule, I feel like the public should have some idea of the scores a physician passed with.
The doctor you are talking about is obviously a good doctor. You’re probably not going to get the top university grad as a country doctor. That’s okay. If the guy has a mid 2.5 degree, I think that can work.
The reason I am driving this home, is because we are seeing judges come through who think they should be nullifying presidential decisions. We see others that make it to the SCOTUS that have no grasp of the U. S. Constitution and why it is important. Some of them try to weigh European law rather than our own.
Right now we have judges letting dangerous criminals out on the streets in New York. It just seems we’re not getting the bang for our buck.
Maybe that’s not fair, and they are following political guidelines.
It’s a mess.
I don’t think affirmative action is a good way to wind up with the best people in the professions.
As always, there will be exceptions. I’m glad you had that guy. Not trying to besmirch anyone. I just think this is important.
I appreciate hearing what you had to say.
It’s the - everybody gets a prize just for competing - mentality.
Yeah - instead of fostering the presence of fertile minds that can actually think, let’s pave the way for more maleable minds susceptible to leftist propaganda...
Interesting that the "no response" group scored higher than all the other groups except at the high end where they were edged out by the Asians. That proves that smart people keep their mouths shut when faced with intrusive questions.
There were two people in my graduating class that (were rumored to have) had perfect SATs.
Both were black.
Rumor or not, both were very gifted.
What the heck? We need labor that may not be college material. Why not take those students and give them a skill or a trade? Not everyone is cut out for college and that’s the way it’s always been.
If a college drop SATs as admission criteria, then the college has no way to ascertain if a high school is “adjusting” the curve to make their students look better then they are.
Yay Civil Rights laws.
Bigots gotta bigot.
The Cali-fornicating colleges and universities have been doing reverse bigoting to American born Asians and your basic white kids for decades.
This allows them to admit out of state and out of country students at a higher cost than locals.
Athletic scholarships are disproportionately awarded to blacks. This is clearly racist and must be changed if academic standards for scholarships are changed.
Give 50 black kids with a real father a test.
Give 50 black kids with no father a test.
The difference will be staggering.
Going with that IQ theory, then we are NO BETTER than dems as we are handing them an excuse.
I’ve know black and PR kids that were smart as hell and dumb as hell.
And the proportion was no different than among my white friends.
It’s fair. There would be no problem if everyone would just admit the obvious facts. When all the exams, and all the tests are showing the same thing, it’s time to pay attention to what they are saying:
that Chinese/Japanese/Korean/Vietnamese do better than your ordinary Whitebread, and your ordinary Whitebread does better than, well you know what the story is.
The original SAT was renamed the “SAT I: Reasoning Test”, and altogether they became the Scholastic Assessment Tests.
You left out your <S for satire!
There truly are such things as real disadvantages in life.
There truly are such things as below par schools.
Every non-legacy school football coach dreams of finding that 1 star kid from a lousy school with a lousy football program who has the potential to be built into a 4 or 5 star player.
If true with football, then it’s also true with academics.
But it isn’t common. It’s more on the rare side.
We were in an agronomy class and talking about all the revolutionary increases in crop production with plant breeding. No other race seems to have an equivalent of what Norman Borlaug did in the Green Revolution, though New Guinean Blacks did pioneer great techniques for growing crops in high rainfall hilly jungle areas. Those in equivalent climates in Africa? Not so much.
The whole point of the SAT is to equalize students based on ability and not school or how sorry you feel for them because of their skin color or whatever such nonsense. If you can’t handle that just admit it rather than pretend that its not functioning as intended.
Thank you.
Don’t get me wrong, I wouldn’t go to Doc for heart surgery. Nor would he have done it.
Trac tubes? Emergency appendectomy? Yep. Babies? Yep, though he always encouraged the mom’s to go to the “big town” in case of complications.
But he knew his limits. I do agree many seem to not to, or worse, use the degree as a shield for bad choices.
Thanks. What you are saying makes sense. Sounds like a good guy.
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