Posted on 01/24/2020 9:51:30 AM PST by Zhang Fei
China's communist rulers draw on a deep well of public acquiesence -- partly due to control of the internet, no free press and a brutally efficient security apparatus.
"I can't imagine there would be too many countries that would be able to do something on this scale as quickly as China has done," Kamradt-Scott said.
Even so, Kamradt-Scott warned a lockdown that extends for a week or more would produce "growing levels of discontent and frustration".
- Quarantine 'illusion' -
Kamradt-Scott said that, even though the virus would inevitably spread, the quarantine appeared designed to buy authorities time to put in place other measures.
He cited China's plans to build a 1,000-bed hospital in Wuhan in just 10 days.
Zi, from the S. Rajaratnam School, also said there was some hope the quarantines would have a level of success in containing the outbreak.
"I believe it is possible given China's expertise in this area of population control, or urban control," Zi said.
Yet the history of quarantine suggests controls will be far from watertight.
The concept emerged in Venice in the 14th century, where ships arriving at the city state from infected ports were held offshore for 40 days.
Over the centuries the US attempted quarantines to combat yellow fever, European nations tried to subdue cholera outbreaks, and several West African nations sealed off townships to hem in Ebola in the last decade.
Quarantine is "purely an illusion", said Bruno Halioua, a historian of medicine at the University of Paris IV.
"Quarantine has never worked. Each time, there have been problems."
And after seeing the situation in Wuhan first-hand, Guan Yi of Hong Kong University shared an equally pessimistic outlook.
"I've never felt scared," Guan said. "This time I'm scared."
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I presume they have not even started to look for subclinical cases or asymptomatic infections. The numerator is close to real, the denominator almost certainly not.
Surgical masks are fine for droplets.
N95 or PAPRs are for airborne.
If cancellations occur it'll likely be at the behest and for the safety of their legal departments.
Hope it works out well for your son.
“Debating if I need to start prepping in case this virus goes full blown.”
We had a few relatives in the midwest and eastern states ask us since we live in the land of disasters, aka California, with year round disasters:. Fires,earthquakes, floods and ????.
What type of preparations should they think about. So we put this together yesterday as a semi joke. We got thank you’s back from many relatives and friends some good suggestions. Which we added.
With the modern curse of next day delivery of food, water, medicine and other necessary items, There are no basic inventories past a couple of days before outages.
My wife has 40 plus years of being an RN, and I can spell MBA.
Here is our modest prep plan for even Californians:
What, would happen if your community was basically shut down for 2-4 weeks due to a quarantine.
No one could leave or get into your community for 2-4 weeks.
What you and your family eat and drink
When would you have power failures and maybe natural gas shutoffs. Cooking might be impossible without power. Keeping food fresh and edible in refrigerators and freezers becomes a 24/7 challenge.
Living in California, besides our grab/go bags, we keep enough water and food for 2-3 weeks. Also, food that doesn’t have to be refrigerated or frozen.
Food that is in our combo refrig/freezer lasts for 2-4 days to a week if we get in and out quickly. The freezer on the bottom has frozen bottles of water on the top shelves. Food is still edible after a few days.
Our standing freezer with frozen water bottles on top inside shelf, has kept food frozen for 5-7 days with the get in and out quick action.
So, you eat your refrig food first, your freezer food next and then your non refrig/freezer food.
If this thing goes full viral, you need to have 2-4 weeks of food and water handy.
You, also, need to have 2-4 weeks of your important Rx medicines and that minimum for your daily otc meds. The same goes for tooth paste and similar items.
Keep at least a half tank of gasoline in your vehicles. Good luck with any solar vehicle that has to have its batteries charged to get out of your driveway.
Home and self defense needs to be considered.
Children died like flies during a series of diptheria pandemics that spread from city to city and then back again across America and Europe from the 1870s to the early 1900s.
In the early 1900s, for example, every one of my grandfather’s siblings died (3 of them) but he lived. His parents had 2 more children after that.
Diphtheria was especially deadly for children under the age of 10.
There was no treatment or cure until a serum was discovered in Berlin in 1894 by Dr. Emil von Behring. The same doctor then discovered a vaccine for the disease in 1913, effectively putting an end to it.
LOL
You were involved with 'Nam?
I've only gazed upon the MSM's works since '65 or so to catch a clue on their next scam. Otherwise, they're an Absolute Negative Barometer:
Whatever they say is BS or designed to do you harm.
(Some I've heard hold that the US media is responsible for more RVN/US MIL casualties than the VC, North VN, China and Red damn Army combined....and for civilian casualties in SEA there is no contest at all.)
YMMV
You mean ekectric? You gave away the solution. Solar panels will (slowly) charge an electric vehicle. You can't drill for oil and refine gasoline at home. Also your freezer can rather easily be run from solar and batteries. It won't be cheap, you'll need about $500 worth of batteries. The panels probably about the same $ but they last much longer than the batteries.
If you’re scared, be sure to read Michael Fumento. He’s a kind of reverse boy-who-cried-wolf. He’s going to put us to sleep and put us to sleep until the big one does come along and devastates the place.
Businesses won’t put their employees at risk in situations like this. Doing so only jeopardizes their business as well. The alarm bell has rang. Just need to give this a week to see where it goes.
Hope springs eternal. The silver lining of this tragic cloud is the the "Wuhan SARS" of 2020 brings down the regime of "Emperor Eleven." (Xi Jinping)
My grandmother told us, about her first husband, he had a sore throat and two days later he was dead.
The H1N1 flu in 2009 was vicious, I got it and was extremely sick for 2 weeks. Got into kidneys, lungs filled up with fluid.
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I know someone who got an email notice from their company today telling employees they must not travel to China right now. Not being at liberty to share details, can only say the company is in the healthcare field and the employees frequent healthcare establishments.
From CDC--But perhaps the biggest challenge is the time required to manufacture a new vaccine against an emerging pandemic threat. Generally, it has taken about 20 weeks to select and manufacture a new vaccine
. During the 2009 H1N1 pandemic, the first doses of pandemic vaccine did not become available until 26 weeks after the decision to manufacture a monovalent vaccine.
yeah it was pretty bad- we have a number of really old cemeteries around us and it’s stunning looking at how many kids didn’t make it past say 15- and how many folks died during certain years-
I think I had my awakening to what scumbags the Left was at an early age...the whole peace movement, and what they were saying about men like my dad and my friends dads...it really pissed me off. And the media was driving it even then.
It wasn't until some decades later I realized what a piece of crap Walter Cronkite was...watching the video by Charlton Heston of the Media's treatment of the Tet Offensive really turned the worm for me. The media's (and our country's) treatment of our military and Veterans enraged me, but I will always...always be grateful to Ronald Reagan for making military service an honorable thing. I was still serving when "No Dogs or Sailors on the grass" was still a typical mentality.
I stopped regularly watching the news around the time of Watergate, and by the early Nineties, I dropped off the cliff. By the end of that decade, I stopped watching television altogether. I think the last series I watched on television was ER.
I cannot even stomach television now. Just walking by one that is on nearly makes my blood pressure spike and fills me with disgust. Sigh. I view people who watch it as total morons.
I watch and rent movies on the screen now, and I have been going further and back, plumbing the depths of old movies now. Most of the crap coming out of Hollywood now is pathetic, though they do have one now and again that isn't bad. I thought they did a good job with "Midway".
I presume by your screen name you served back then-
Thank you, and Welcome Home, FRiend.
I did say “according to reports” - add this: they came from the CDC and are found somewhere in a thread about the virus
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