Posted on 12/18/2019 3:38:59 AM PST by Kaslin
With a House impeachment vote a foregone conclusion, the battle to remove President Trump from office has moved to the Senate. Minority Leader Charles Schumer grabbed control of the debate Monday with demands for what he called "fairness" in the president's trial.
Schumer wants the Senate to allow testimony from four witnesses the House did not interview: former national security adviser John Bolton; acting White House chief of staff Mick Mulvaney; key Mulvaney aide Robert Blair; and Office of Management and Budget official Michael Duffey. House Democratic impeachers wanted the men to testify, but after the White House, claiming privilege, refused, House leaders chose not to try to force them to appear. Going to court to compel their testimony, Democrats said, would take too much time.
Now Schumer wants the witnesses simply to forget about privilege questions and testify in the Senate trial.
"How, on such a weighty matter, could we avoid hearing this, could we go forward without hearing it?" Schumer asked at a news conference Monday. "I haven't seen a single good argument about why these witnesses shouldn't testify -- unless the president has something to hide and his supporters want that information hidden."
Republicans will respond that the Senate is not the place for fact-finding -- that is, for senators to become investigators and do what the House declined to do.
Some will also note that the House chose not to seek the appointment of an outside investigator -- a special counsel -- to establish what happened in the Trump-Ukraine matter, and the Senate is ill-equipped to play that role. CARTOONS | Chip Bok View Cartoon
Many will also argue that the facts of the case do not align with the Democratic accusation of bribery, and more testimony will not change that. Others will argue that they don't believe what the president did rises to the level of an impeachable offense.
In other words, they will come up with a number of good arguments -- perhaps not good arguments to Charles Schumer, but good arguments to Republicans -- not to have any more witnesses.
Schumer is not trying to convince all 53 Senate Republicans to support his proposal. He just needs four. There are 47 Democrats in the Senate. If Schumer can persuade four GOP senators to join Democrats, they'll have a majority of 51 and can force the calling of new witnesses. (Of course, Schumer is counting on Democrats voting as a bloc against the president, which is probably a good bet.)
If Schumer gets what he wants, it seems hard to believe that will be the end of it. The request for more witnesses appears designed to lead not to closure, but to re-opening the case against Trump in this way: If Democrats can introduce new testimony in the trial, they can say the new testimony has raised new questions that will require new investigation. And new investigation will require more new witnesses, which will surely lead to more new questions, which ...
Call it the Brett Kavanaugh model of impeachment. During the Supreme Court justice's confirmation process, a hearing had already been held and Kavanaugh appeared on the way to joining the court. Then, up popped a new allegation -- the Christine Blasey-Ford story -- and Democrats demanded the case be re-opened, witnesses be interviewed, evidence be gathered, time be taken for more investigation. Republicans acceded to those demands, and the Kavanaugh confirmation careened off course for a while before GOP lawmakers finally got it back on track.
It is not beyond imagination that a Senate impeachment trial, were it controlled by Schumer and his Democratic colleagues, might take a similarly unforeseen course. Beyond new witnesses, there are plenty of ways that could happen.
For example: On Monday, lawyers for the House Judiciary Committee told a federal court it is essential that grand-jury materials from special counsel Robert Mueller's Trump-Russia investigation be given to House investigators. Why? Because it might help the impeachment effort. "If the House approves articles of impeachment," the lawyers argued, "relevant grand-jury material that the committee obtains in this litigation could be used during the subsequent Senate proceedings."
If the Judiciary Committee receives the information, there is little doubt its leaders will work with Senate Democrats to create the impression that there is new evidence so compelling that it absolutely must be included in the impeachment trial. And if Republicans disagree -- what are they trying to hide?
Indeed, Schumer and his colleagues have prepared the way to characterize any move to limit the trial's scope as an effort to hide wrongdoing from the American people. "To engage in a trial without the facts coming out is to engage in a cover-up," he said Monday.
The bottom line is, Republicans should not believe for one minute that the campaign to remove the president will rely only on the case Democrats have built in the House. Schumer and other party leaders will scramble for new information to throw at the president, and at Republicans, until it is over. The GOP, and the White House, need to be ready.
Frank Burns from Mash? I think he’s much worse
Exactly.
Bump
If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, OR to destroy by force the Government of the United States....
They ONLY need to conspire to overthrow the government...that is PRECISELY what this impeachment vote is...and is what the President has said it is.
*rme*
Btw, no actual subpoenas were ever issues. They were just letters requesting them to appear.
The more I think on it, the more I am convinced that the only rational approach to the libs theatrical production is summary dismissal in the Senate, if it gets there. There are many reasons for taking this approach, but I will state two compelling ones. Do not legitimize a totally frivolous case and waste taxpayers’ money in a Senate trial. Secondly, because the libs have indicated they are ready to conduct a none stop impeachment crusade, a firm message needs to be sent NOW that further loony tunes will be met with the same summary dismissal.
Take some of your own medicine, Chuckie. Swallow hard.
They did issue an actual subpoena for his aide, Kupperman, and withdrew it. I believe it had gone to the courts before it was withdrawn and is still alive in the courts.
Genesis 3
Schumer needs to be in an orange jump suit.
No, death is in order for the seditious conspirators
Those imprisoned can be pardoned
Death brings a serious message to future conspirators
I stepped in some dog Schumer once! It was nasty smelling!
You ignorant moron, For your information he supports President Trump. Do you?
Seditious conspiracy
If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both.
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