Posted on 09/10/2019 12:04:07 PM PDT by MarvinStinson
On Sunday, House Majority Whip James Clyburn (D-SC) appeared on MSNBC to talk about the 1994 crime bill. During the conversation, Clyburn made a shocking admission: he doesn't believe the Bill of Rights would pass if it was brought forth today.
"You know what, I really believe sincerely that the climate we're in today, if the Bill of Rights the first 10 Amendments of the United States Constitution, were put before the public today, I'm not too sure we'd hold onto the Bill of Rights," Clyburn said. "Especially when I see what people are doing with the Second Amendment. No telling what they'd do with the First Amendment."
"You really believe that?" host David Gura asked. "That’s a startling statement. You believe that?”
“Absolutely,” Clyburn replied. “There would be a strong support against the Bill of Rights. Go through the Bill of Rights and I’ll tell you I run into people every day who would like to see so much of those guarantees uprooted.”
What Clyburn said should be a clarion call to conservatives.
But this thought process isn't new.
The left has always worked to undermine our rights. They just have younger, more outspoken people openly admitting they want to do it. They're no longer hiding their agenda.
I wouldn’t doubt that, but the comment still stands.
How can you ‘protect and defend’ if you haven’t the slightest grasp of these issues?
This guy is fundamentally ignorant on these matters.
“You know what, I really believe sincerely that the climate we’re in today, if the Bill of Rights the first 10 Amendments of the United States Constitution, were put before the public today, I’m not too sure we’d hold onto the Bill of Rights,” Clyburn said. “Especially when I see what people are doing with the Second Amendment. No telling what they’d do with the First Amendment.”
Which is Reasons #1-1,000,000 why we do NOT want a convention of the states. Not now, not EVER until we are certain that we will not have a bunch of statist, inside-the-Beltway scumbags remove the protection of our most basic rights from the Constitution.
The convention then amended the model of proposed government and the States United into the United states.
So, if the Congress today had been in charge, and had refused to insert the bill of rights then it would never have become possible to form the United States.
“.... her experience of fleeing violence in Somalia is “more personal” than Jews whose parents survived the Holocaust.
And “more personal” than African-Americans whose ancestors were slaves, right Jimmy??
I agree and lay the blame at our education system that is run by liberals.
I was sucked into Clyburn’s gerrymandered Sixth district like the night before Election Day. The Republican I normally voted for, Rep. Joe Wilson (”You lie!!”) was off the ballot.
Clyburn is an entitled leftwing idiot and racist to boot. If you’re white, forget about writing to him.
And if you do write to disagree with anything he says, he will probably add you to his list of citizens to be Red Flagged should such laws pass.
South Carolina is a gun friendly red state but its representation in Congress by both parties truly sucks.
Is there some connection between fleeing violence in Somalia and anti-semitism? I don't get it.
“Damn right it would pass today.”
Clyburn, for whatever else he is, was at least being honest. We are NOT living in the same environment that we did in 1789-91:
1) We have a lot of pissed off minorities with voting power and representation. Now, they deserve representation - but that doesn’t mean that they’d vote for the BOR.
2) We haven’t just been through a war to gain our freedom. In fact, we have schools teaching our children and grandchildren to have contempt for our rights. Hell, even in law school - where they’re supposed to teach, you know, THE LAW - they have been glossing over the 2nd Amendment for decades.
3) We do not share the same morality (as a percentage of the population - of course individuals do) that the Founding Generation did.
NONE of those factors mitigates toward the BOR being re-ratified if they were put up for a vote, no matter how much you and I would like that to occur, nor how much or how well we could argue for any or all of its provisions.
Fully 1/3 of the population would literally enslave the rest of us, if not just exterminate them outright...and you think that they’d want the BOR re-ratified?
“She’s so busy screwing guys in and out of her family that she doesn’t know how to make a decent point.”
"You know what, I really believe sincerely that the climate we're in today, if the Bill of Rights the first 10 Amendments of the United States Constitution, were put before the public today, I'm not too sure we'd hold onto the Bill of Rights," Clyburn said. "Especially when I see what people are doing with the Second Amendment. No telling what they'd do with the First Amendment."He and his ilk would not ever approve of them. Which is exactly why we should never have a Convention of States (COS) or a Constitutional Convention.
What ever you want to call it, would be a recipe for disaster...guaranteed.
That says it all about the Democrat Party now doesn’t it.
That would apply to 99 percent of the Democrats in Congress today, and, to some Republicans
Dems would vote against the US Constitution if they had a chance..they absolutely despise this country
“I’ll tell you I run into people every day who would like to see so much of those guarantees uprooted.””
I hope he said this about his fellow Democrats with concern.
Or maybe he can start considering the other amendments afer 10 that he would not be too keen on being eroded?
Agreed, but then we allow that.
There’s no push-back whatsoever.
Sorry to hear that.
“So, if the Congress today had been in charge, and had refused to insert the bill of rights then it would never have become possible to form the United States.”
We already HAVE the United States and its form of government, and have had it for 232 years since the Constitution was ratified. What Clyburn is saying is that today’s Congress would never re-pass it and/or today’s states would never re-ratify it. That, vs. the situation back then, is a completely different thing.
Today’s environment is way different from that of 232 years ago. People are much less well-educated and experienced in matters of government, economics, the nature of human beings (especially as related to power) and (most importantly) history. Oh, and at least 1/3 of the population is infected with the bacillus of socialism, which teaches and expounds the idea of group “rights” (really, power) trumping the rights of individuals. You think that those people and their representatives would vote for the BOR? But even so, that’s irrelevant - we already have our government, and lots of people like it just fine (and not always for the best reasons, either). If we had a Convention of the States, and that convention eliminated some or all of the BOR, I’m just not sure that things would blow up. We simply don’t know the exact events that would occur to get the Convention called in the first place, nor who would be appointed to it, nor the composition of the state legislatures. Given the utter hatred of the 1st and 2nd Amendment by the Left, and the Left’s completely unchecked-by-morality drive for power, there’s not a single person who could predict what would happen.
As an aside, you are incorrect about the Constitutional Convention amending the document - they did NOT do so. What happened is that when the Constitution was sent out to the state legislatures for ratification, so much opposition was encountered to the lack of controls on the government (in the form of a BOR) that the Federalists advocating for passage promised to pass a BOR and send it out to the states for ratification during the First Congress. Here’s a link to verify this: https://www.history.com/topics/united-states-constitution/bill-of-rights
The point of all of this is simple: THEN the pols promised something, and they actually delivered. Do you think that people who debate the meaning of the word “is,” or who can go in front of Congress and claim no memory about a whole host of things - and then go write their memoirs for several million dollars, are even 1% as trustworthy? I don’t, and since they already regularly (and many times proudly) violate the Constitution, what in the world makes you think that they’d give a rat’s ass about preserving the BOR? If they ignore the Constitution now, why would they abide by a further amended one in a few years?
“I asked who is to stop them, if most Americans are disarmed or placed on some Government generated “do not allow to exercise their rights” list?”
Agreed...
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