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A little late for me, but goodtidings going forward. Trump passes off the BBC once again.
1 posted on 09/07/2019 5:00:16 PM PDT by ameribbean expat
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You cant get you ezbake oven to cook with a cfl bulb.

I thought people were getting around this by designating them as heaters that also produce light. 95% of the energy is heat, 5% light. Makes sense.


37 posted on 09/07/2019 5:44:31 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not Averse to Going Bronson.)
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An opportunity for a MADE IN USA startup.


38 posted on 09/07/2019 5:46:15 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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Now we have to get him informed on the corn in your tank fallacy.

Yes, it's a delicate one....but farmers will just switch to a different crop....just like they switched to corn.

Sit down with the farmers. They are great innovators.

47 posted on 09/07/2019 6:12:25 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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“...and cut climate change emissions,...”

FU.


49 posted on 09/07/2019 6:22:28 PM PDT by Bonemaker (invictus mane)
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LED bulbs in our house at 5,000 Kelvin. No more dirty, dingy, yellow looking incandescents for us. 👍
52 posted on 09/07/2019 6:33:36 PM PDT by Cobra64 (Common sense isnÂ’t common anymore.)
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I never stopped buying them.


53 posted on 09/07/2019 6:37:18 PM PDT by leaning conservative (snow coming, school cancelled, yayyyyyyyyy!!!!!!!!!!!)
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If CFL bulbs lasted anywhere NEAR the advertised lifespan, I might question this. Apparently, the "long life" part comes in if you don't EVER turn them off.

I spent too many years turning off lights when I left the room. My grandmother saw a house explode from a natural gas leak, when she was small. She demanded all electric. She was also convinced that outlets let electrons spill out on the floor, otherwise they wouldn't be called "plugs". Every outlet had a plug in it. You could wear sunglasses in her house and read a newspaper.

She also complained about how the power company was gouging her...

They won a gas dryer at the county fair. It sat in the garage, unused, for 30 years. When they died, the dryer was found to be stuffed full of empty whiskey bottles.

My grandfather would go down to the pharmacy in September and buy one of each cough syrup on the shelf, and pour them all into a 5 gallon jug. He'd then top the jug up with bourbon. One shot glass full every evening, all winter, to keep colds away. However, small town, and he couldn't just throw the bottles in the trash. So...

56 posted on 09/07/2019 6:42:10 PM PDT by jonascord (First rule of the Dunning-Kruger Club is that you do not know you are in the Dunning-Kruger club.)
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Who ever heard of a light bulb ban...


64 posted on 09/07/2019 6:58:49 PM PDT by northislander
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LED bulbs are great. But, put one on your garage door opener and it’ll never go out. There’s a current sensor in that circuit.


73 posted on 09/07/2019 7:09:56 PM PDT by sasquatch
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The market is choosing LED bulbs over incandescent anyway. There will not be many people who buy old style incandescents. Maybe some old people and a few people as a political protest or “just because I can.”

I am an old fart and even I know that LEDs are generally far better at providing light while reducing energy consumption and cost. Technology has provided the answer.

The market would always have embraced LEDs even without a ban. It was those abominable “Compact Flourescent” pieces of shit that needed to be shoved down our throats with a ban on incandescent bulbs. They were so horrific, you can’t even find them anymore if you have a clip in socket in your bathroom like I have and have to replace your compact flouresenct. You have to special order it for 5 times the price of an LED.

Assholes.


90 posted on 09/07/2019 8:03:32 PM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (What profits a man if he gains the world but loses his soul?)
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Let the consumer decide...what a quaint notion.


97 posted on 09/07/2019 9:32:26 PM PDT by OrangeHoof (Trump is Making the Media Grate Again)
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I would imagine that the tooling has been destroyed.


103 posted on 09/08/2019 5:39:45 AM PDT by GingisK
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Does anyone still manufacture the old style bulbs anymore? Other than China?


106 posted on 09/08/2019 5:45:21 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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I love it.

Like many here (like YOU Cobra64) I have moved on, and I DO like LED lights because that energy saving technology works and they have tweaked them so they don't look too bad. But we all know: CFL lighting was complete crap. But I do believe LED lights would have made it to the market without the CFL abomination first.

I read my old analysis, and I have to laugh at "a lost battle not worth fighting" and then...along comes Trump!!! All that is old and lost becomes new and found!

There are some here who might still enjoy the analysis because it demonstrates the Leftist mindset where virtue signaling is far more significant than fact, and the underlying notions are the same ones driving global warming virtue signaling we see today:




I did this analysis a couple of years back, but I'm not sure anyone even cares about this anymore. A lost battle not worth fighting. And liberals of all stripes (including many non-democrats who wanted an environmental feather to put in their "I'm Green too" hat, emboldened by that victory, turn the screws tighter.

I don't have an issue with the lights themselves. If people want to use them, that is their business if they want to pay the money and a manufacturer thinks they can make money by producing them. What I take issue with is government bureaucrats taking my money via confiscatory taxes, TELLING me how to spend the money they leave me, then passing legislation to DRIVE up the cost of energy so we are FORCED to spend more money to drive our cars, heat our homes and turn on our lights, whether they be incandescent or CFL. These bastards think they are doing us a big favor because they think they know best, and are trying to twist our arms to accept their utopian crap. They think if energy costs go up high enough, their plans to harness unicorn flatulence or whatever will become economically viable.

Well I don't care to take part in their damned experiments. If my town wants to purchase LED based traffic and street lights because it saves the town money and is a guaranteed return on investment, then power to them.

If people want these CFL lights in the marketplace as an alternative to make their homes more energy efficient, then I think is is fine and would never say boo to anyone so inclined.

Actually, my issue is not even residential lighting. Making citizens purchase stuff we don't want and don't need is NOT going to solve any kind of energy shortage. It is the equivalent of selling carbon credits or putting a magnetic sticker on the back of a car. It is Jimmy Carter wearing sweaters and telling us to turn our thermostats down.

So to make my point that forcing all of us to use these things, have to pay MORE money to buy them (even though most of us have found they don't last nearly as long as the government says they do)

Here an the original unaltered graph from Livermore Labs/DOE which I think is a very, very good graphical representation (reflecting the situation in 2009):

As shown below, I cut out a part of that graph and marked it up. Of the four major sectors, residential is the second smallest using just 4.65% of generated electrical power as shown by the graph. Government statistics say lighting consumes 12% of 4.65% of electricity flowing into a house. In the inset (enlarged) part shows the 4.65% pipeline with the red stripe on it showing the lighting share, and the green stripe showing what it would be if we assume 10% efficiency compared to CFL for incandescent bulbs, the assumptions I make are summarized in the yellow inset box in the graphic below, all from accepted industry sources. (The orange pipe leading into the box signifies the RESIDENTAL SECTOR of the energy grid and is representative of energy generated from all sources)

In particular, pay attention to the enlarged pop-out section that has the thick red line and the thin green line which illustrates the significance of the "energy savings". It is so risibly minuscule that it is absurd.

This shows the projected "Savings" by foisting this CFL abortion on individual citizens:

I didn't get this image from some conservative anti-government website. I made it myself after analyzing the data on the graph and government data such as estimates of how much lighting uses. And it illustrates the point I make, backed up with the government's own data, that forcing us to do this via statist legislation is basically ANOTHER camel nose in the figurative tent...BECAUSE THEY CAN.

Don't get me wrong. I believe that a lot of small things can add up to a big thing (Many Mickles make a Muckle) but this approach is absolute stupidity. It punishes both the consumer AND the environment, forcing people to accept these CFL bulbs at a hugely increased cost that have to be treated as toxic waste.

If the market really wanted these lightbulbs, they would have made it on their own without government legislation. But, in my opinion, buying into this without a fight just exacerbates this statist mess we are in covering everything from legislation against transfats and salt in the diet to the amount of water we can flush down our toilet. Liberals think this is great because it is their pet thing that they have bought hook, line and sinker, running around screaming that we are running out of energy. Surrendering to this just invites the government to intrude into EVERY facet of our life.

I don't disparage people for choosing CFL's as a stand to take. I believe I have the data (shown graphically here) to indicate that using CFL's in houses isn't going to save us from anything. It is just a piece of do-gooder legislation that only does just that...makes guilty people feel good. I readily admit that one can make an argument for commercial/industrial building codes and so on, and I might buy into it and agree, the same as I agree with towns purchasing led-based traffic lights. However, building codes are so top heavy with bureaucracy now that I would fight against mandating these in commercial use on those grounds alone.

My home is my home (or at least, SHOULD be "my home"). And we have gone far too long allowing the government to dictate what we can and cannot do on our own quarter acre of land, small as it is. I am sick to death of it.

110 posted on 09/08/2019 6:32:01 AM PDT by rlmorel (Trump to China: This Capitalist Will Not Sell You the Rope with Which You Will Hang Us.)
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Well, since they’ve successfully destroyed the domestic manufacture of standard light bulbs, this won’t help all that much. It’s too late.


130 posted on 09/08/2019 2:25:08 PM PDT by zeugma (I sure wish I lived in a country where the rule of law actually applied to those in power.)
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Freedom to choose what light bulb to use is so scary. Please mandate what I should do.


145 posted on 09/10/2019 6:07:15 AM PDT by kanawa (Trump Loves a Great Deal (NorthernSentinel))
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