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The Fed cut rates for the first time since 2008
CNN ^ | July 31, 2019 | Donna Borak

Posted on 07/31/2019 12:23:04 PM PDT by Innovative

The Federal Reserve on Wednesday lowered interest rates for the first time since the Great Recession in 2008 to help stave off the possibility of an economic downturn.

Policymakers led by Fed Chairman Jerome Powell voted 8-2 in favor of a small cut in the federal funds rate, and recommitted to their promise to "act as appropriate" to sustain the country's longest economic expansion in history.

Interest rates, which affect the cost of borrowing for credit cards and mortgages, are now set to hover between 2% and 2.25%.

The rate cut follows months of pressure from President Donald Trump, who has broken with his predecessors' practice of walling off the central bank from politics.

(Excerpt) Read more at cnn.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: debt; deficit; fed; federalreserve; fedrate; finance; inflation; interest; interestrate; ratecut; trumpfed
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To: Innovative

The Interest Payments on the National Debt eat up nearly $500,000,000,000 every Year, and that is with Historically Low Interest Rates now in effect.

Overnight a quarter of the Federal Budget could be gobbled up just servicing the Debt.

Imagine when, not if Interest Rates get back to reality.

I remember all those 10% CD Rates being offered way back when. The Mortgage Rate on my very first House was 9% back in the 1970’s. Think that can’t happen again?


41 posted on 07/31/2019 3:33:33 PM PDT by Kickass Conservative (Socialism is a gateway Ideology.)
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To: Moonman62

In 1959 my best friends brother bought a color TV. It had a round screen. It cost over $900 and that is in 1959 dollars. Inflation adjusted that same TV would cost just over $8,000 today.


42 posted on 07/31/2019 3:33:42 PM PDT by billyboy15
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To: zaxtres

I agree completely. Creature from Jeckyl Island is the Fed. The idea that the Fed is immune from politics as CNN surmised is pure BS.


43 posted on 07/31/2019 3:34:22 PM PDT by Sam Gamgee
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To: billyboy15

Here’s what you can get for $7,000 today. 77 inches of pure flat screen high definition joy.

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/sony-77-class-oled-a9g-master-series-2160p-smart-4k-uhd-tv-with-hdr/6331600.p?skuId=6331600


44 posted on 07/31/2019 3:39:26 PM PDT by Moonman62 (Charity comes from wealth.)
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To: JerryBlackwell

exactly, during the Obama recession, markets would not bear prices increases, so sizes were shrunken & quality was reduced. now finally, retailers can raise prices. The Fed was politicized by liberal Keynesians in 1977 under the dual mandate law, which tasks the Fed with maintaining “maximum employment” first, inflation second....because it once was believed that inflation rate & unemployment rate always moved in opposite directions.....meaning that being tough on inflation would cost jobs & drive up the unemployment rate.
It’s silly when fake news wails about the “independence” of the Fed, which is operating under its own interpretation of that dual mandate law.....whereas the president is the chief law enforcement officer & thereby has a legal & Constitutional DUTY to have his own interpretation of the Fed’s dual mandate, being that he nominates the Fed chairman & its board of directors.
Alan Greenspan did harm to both the Reagan legacy, the George HW Bush presidency & the George W Bush presidency.
George H W Bush expected Greenspan to slash interest rates against his tax increase, because it was Greenspan who demanded the deficit be reduced to drive DOWN interest rates, & after Greenspan had hiked his funds rate to 9.75% to precipitate the 1990 recession with Savings & Loan crisis. The Fed has too much so-called “independence” because the markets have no idea what the Fed does or why it does it. Clinton raised taxes, then Greenspan raised rates on him to almost put us into another recession, which cost Clinton in the midterm elections. Bush was vocal about blaming Greenspan for his not getting re-elected.....& so fake news called Bush a “Nazi” for blaming the bad economy on Greenspan for causing a recession, then being slow to respond to it with rate cuts. You see, Greenspan was-—according to fake news——a “Jewish banker” & you just may NOT criticize a Jewish banker....even when he’s Fed chairman, playing with peoples’ lives & you are a politician/office holder who promised to make peoples’ lives better.
Clinton was fuming after he raised taxes to fix the deficit & was met with a rate increase by Greenspan. It was believed that “deficits crowd out private investment & cause inflation”—& Clinton campaigned, claiming the economy depended on the housing sector, which depends on interest rates which depend on budget outlooks of deficits or surpluses. (the is Eisenhower economics...but the fact is that high taxes & regulation also crowd out private investment & harm competition & innovation & productivity which effect prices).
In 2000, Greenspan raised his funds rate to 6.5% & caused the Nasdaq to crash by more than 50%, even though Greenspan himself claimed that a budget surplus should drive DOWN interest rates. Greenspan said that he was worried that the economy was too good & was worried that the national debt was being paid off “too soon”. Where was that any of his business. Where in the dual mandate does it say that the Fed should worry about the national debt being paid off “too fast”? Clinton should have screamed over the news for Greenspan to OBEY THE LAW instead of risking recession....allowing the economy to grow as fast as it wanted to pay off the national debt as soon as possible. and if Greenspan was worried about the national debt being paid of “too soon” as he admits.....then he could have demanded tax cuts or spending on infrastructure.
Between 2004 and 2006, the Fed raised its funds rate over 400% in two short years. Ben Bernanke claimed he was trying to “slow the economy through the housing sector to keep WAGES from rising....” WAGES, not prices. He was worried about the free market, where low unemployment rates meant that demand for labor was exceeding supply of labor,,,,but because of immigration, we always are increasing the supply of labor....so please explain why the Fed gets to rig the free market for buyers of labor over sellers of labor and call that “independence”.
Thank God for Trump. He has every reason to enforce the law by having his Fed chairman resign.
I’ve heard business shows on TV where billionaires who make money in any and every economy demand the Fed raise rates high and risk recession because “we need creative destruction” as if creative destruction cannot happen during booms, but only during busts. But is that true? No. If a business refuses to or cannot compete for labor, then they get put out of business to release surplus labor and capital into the economy. Moreover, labor is MOBILE! People move from state=to-state and country to country seeking work...plus there always is surplus labor to come out of the woodwork if wages rise and work begins to PAY. “full employment” is a fiction. The Fed will claim that we are at “full employment” but in the 1970s, the Fed claimed that 9% was “full employment” and anything less than 8% unemployment rate would cause runaway inflation. I still hear establishment types claiming we are going to have runaway inflation or that there is a point where inflation ‘accelerates” like a runaway truck coming down a mountain, but this is just fake economics. In Reagan’s second term, the state of Montana had double digit unemployment rate...it’s highest in history........but Montana had its lowest unemployment rate ever under Jimmy Carter because inflation helped drive commodity prices higher in a mining and farming state, whereas inflation and commodities like gold crashed under Reagan. That is why John Tester wins every time against somebody claiming to be a “Reagan Republican”.
each state is its own economy and that is why it is silly for the Fed to claim it knows what is “full employment”....and states have sub economies, too...and there are regional ones. But the Fed dual mandate is not about “full employment”, it is about maintaining “MAXIMUM EMPLOYMENT”.....which, if the Fed causes a recession...it has FAILED in its dual mandate and has broken the law.....and ends up lowering interest rates again.....so what is the point with endless tightening....as Paul Volcker said “to take away the punch bowl just as the guests arrive at the party”. People are tired of fake news, fake law, fake economics. That’s why Trump got elected/ That’s why Obama got elected.


45 posted on 07/31/2019 4:55:08 PM PDT by Beowulf9
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To: Moonman62

I got 65 inches for way less than half that price, I don’t even watch TV


46 posted on 07/31/2019 6:26:29 PM PDT by acapesket (all happy now?)
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To: acapesket

oops! that was not intended for this forum! My apologies!
Excellent Explanation however! Thank you!


47 posted on 07/31/2019 6:43:08 PM PDT by acapesket (all happy now?)
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To: Moonman62

Electronics is one of the few things having become much less expensive as times goes by.appluances would be another.


48 posted on 08/01/2019 1:02:15 AM PDT by billyboy15
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To: DCBryan1

But doesn’t that just reset the time clock
https://youtu.be/QCW18ddjdn4


49 posted on 08/01/2019 2:33:32 AM PDT by AbolishCSEU (Amount of "child" support paid is inversely proportionate to mother's actual parenting of children)
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To: Wuli
Great news for a new housing bubble, which has already been brewing in some housing markets.

Yep, shooting for a "2008 redux"...am hearing ads for "cash-out refi's" again. Failure to reduce government spending leads to extreme pressure to keep interest rates low as "normal/historical" rates would trigger a "Venezuela/Zimbabwe" event in a few years.

I am seeing inflation more in line with what "SGS" publishes (based on the pre-tinkered with 1990 method)...around 5-6%.

http://www.shadowstats.com/alternate_data/inflation-charts

I personally have my "Carl's, Jr./Hardee's Inflation Index"...2007 "Santa Fe Chicken Sand. Combo (lg)": $7.00...same combo in 2019: $12....70% increase over 12 years = 5.8% avg. annual inflation rate. (CA Carl's, Jr...maybe less inflation in MS).

50 posted on 08/01/2019 3:26:38 AM PDT by Drago
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To: billyboy15

There are many examples, even in areas like healthcare.

There’s a hepatitis drug that’s now used as a cure instead of transplant. The drug is expensive but it’s cheaper than a transplant and a much better experience for the patient.

There are better and cheaper alternatives for heart surgery now, too.


51 posted on 08/01/2019 5:19:18 AM PDT by Moonman62 (Charity comes from wealth.)
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To: Moonman62

Healthcare advances have been truly amazing no matter the cost.


52 posted on 08/01/2019 7:36:20 AM PDT by billyboy15
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To: Moonman62

Good point. Maybe declining price of technology offsets declining quality of durable goods.


53 posted on 08/01/2019 8:43:21 AM PDT by JerryBlackwell (some animals are more equal than others)
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