Essentially the UK put up red lines that would result in a no-deal
Remember this from 2017? Well that was the outcome warned about, but the UK chose the no-deal. No one else did
Posted on 07/31/2019 6:13:08 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
The prime minister has said it is "up to the EU, this is their call" if the UK leaves the EU without a deal.
Boris Johnson made his first visit to Wales as PM on Tuesday, seeking support from farmers for his Brexit plans.
He held talks with Wales' First Minister Mark Drakeford, who said there was a "deeply concerning lack of detail" from the new prime minister.
Mr Johnson said: "We're not aiming for a no-deal Brexit, we don't think that's where we'll end up."
"This is very much up to our friends and partners across the channel," he added.
A Welsh farmer called on Mr Johnson to stop "playing Russian roulette" with the lamb industry over the threat of a no-deal Brexit. It followed the Farmers' Union of Wales president warning of "civil unrest" in rural areas if no agreement is struck.
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Its allright, we’ll just keep our £39 billion in lieu of charging you reperations.
The pound is already plummeting to Brexit lows. Let’s see where it goes in debt default.
If you think the UK is being too harsh in their rhetoric, perhaps the EU should not have offered them such one sided punitive deal. They overplayed their hand when Teresa May was ready to take any deal, now the situation is different.
I just find it amusing that one of the Project Fear proponents is now blaming the EU for No-Deal. You know, instead of taking credit.
Don’t you?
After all it was the UK that voted to Leave.
You may disagree but I Think what I've just written captures the gist of the Johnson's thinking on this, as he stated when he resigned from his position in May's government. I happen to agree with him that the EU intentionally slapped the UK in the face and sneered "what are you gonna do about it, huh?" Well, we'll see what the UK is going to do about it because in spite of Johnson's implication that the EU could offer a more reasonable deal, I think they are dug in and won't do it. So hard Brexit is coming.
They never set out to negotiate a fair deal in good faith. They tried to make it harsh and painful and they will continue to do so by impeding an independent UK in every way possible.Total poppycock.
Britain voted to Leave and I been told Leave means Leave.
The EU owes nothing to the UK but has offered them a deal comparable to others outside the EU.
Problem Britain has is not being able to cherry pick benefits of EU members while not being a member.
What's on Johnson's mind, now that he has the PM job, is pointing fingers. Of course that would be the EU. Let's how well that works out for him when all his Project Fear comments come back to haunt him if things go bad.
In Theresa May's first and second votes, only five of the 22 Cabinet members voted against the deal. They were Boris Johnson, Priti Patel, Dominic Raab, Grant Shapps and Theresa Villiers.In the third vote, it was just two of the 22 who voted against it - Patel and Villiers
Remember when Greece was close to going under?
What did fellow EU member tell them?
You don’t get a single cent from us.
Now they expect the moon.
Interesting. I wasn’t aware of that. Wonder what occured to change his vote after his earlier statements that the deal left the UK a vassal state. I don’t think the deal got better with age and he seems to have returned to his earlier position so how did they convince him to buy in that one time?
Now they expect the moon.Lost in the sky coloured oils of Merrieland
I recently seen a quote from Trump posted:
I was relentless because, more often than you would think, sheer persistence is the difference between success and failure. NEVER GIVE UP!— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) October 8, 2014
You’ve both made some good points but I think there are a number of specific issues hidden in the details.
I believe the voluntary agreement that is the EU has some specific requirements and onerous shots upon a member nation’s withdrawal and that release from certain strictures is totally up to the EU.
Secondly, these play a big role for the UK as its component historical components, the Isle of Man, Scotland and Northern Ireland had special provisions written for them, as well as the UK as a whole, when the UK joined with special provisions that other nations don’t hold.
Third, the Just Leave attitude fails to address how all the damned detail of these special issues will be treated if the EU acts vindictive to show other members they are no longer free states.
The Devil really is in the detail in this event. I think it would take a fifty page essay to paint an accurate view of this detail.
hmmm... but that’s the money you already promised in 2014 for the 7 year budget cycle ending in 2021. Do you mean you want to renege on your promises?
If the pound goes down, it will all be part of the Brexit plan. Same thing with losing the car industry - it’s all part of the plan. Ditto for the farming industry.
If you criticise this destruction that means you are part of Operation fear 2.0
Essentially the UK put up red lines that would result in a no-deal
Remember this from 2017? Well that was the outcome warned about, but the UK chose the no-deal. No one else did
The Brexiteer approach to Brexit is arrogance (these are our demands); exceptionalism (we’re British) and a victim complex (the EU are bullies).
It’s remarkable how Brexit has shifted from holding all the cards to a victim a complex. But this change in attitude is understandable. Because Brexit is about failure to accept responsibility, the need to blame others and simple slogans.
By offering Brexit proposals as “fair, generous or bold”, the UK government can then portray the EU as bullies if these same proposals are later rejected.
The EU said "these are the terms of the club. If you don't like them, you are free to leave - in fact you've already asked to leave"
What is this bad faith you talk about?
how did they "try to make it harsh"?
The UK is obliged as a co-signee of the good friday agreement to keep the border open. in addition it wanted to control its borders. And at the same time, thanks to the silly 2017 election and the DUP, it can't put a one country two systems approach with NI in the customs union and the rUK outside.
What is your solution for it to be "easily resolved"?
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