Posted on 07/28/2019 6:02:04 AM PDT by Kaslin
In an imaginary “ranking” of Christian topics that elicit the most fervent discussions, Jesus Christ is No. 1. But near the top is the Shroud of Turin — believed by millions of Christians to be the authentic burial cloth of Jesus. This “ranking” was inspired by you — Townhall readers who wrote over 500 impassioned comments in response to my July 21 piece, “Shroud of Turin: New Test Concludes 1988 ‘Medieval Hoax’ Dating Was a Fraud.”
I purposely read all your comments to gain insight into my role as an adviser and fundraiser for a groundbreaking exhibition about the Shroud of Turin at the Museum of the Bible in Washington D.C. This spectacular museum, among the largest and highest rated in the city, is located only three blocks from the Capitol. And just prior to the January 20, 2021, presidential inauguration is when this high-tech Shroud exhibit is scheduled to open.
Threaded throughout hundreds of your responses about all aspects of the Shroud was one overarching theme summarized by these three comments:
“Anyone who requires physical evidence to underpin their faith doesn’t understand the concept of faith.”
“JESUS CHRIST died for all. HE is what is important. Making such a fuss about this piece of cloth is a distraction from HIS work of SALVATION.”
“I respectfully submit that the only ‘relic’ which really matters is the one which was left us on that first Easter morning: The tomb is empty! He is Risen! He is Risen indeed! Alleluia!”
Of course, “He is Risen” is also the foundation of my Christian faith, (made slightly more complicated by having been born Jewish). But I feel compelled to discuss and explore the comment that reads in part, “…such a fuss about this piece of cloth...”
And my response is simple: The Shroud of Turin exists because HE exists. An answer that echoes what God said to Moses, “I Am Who I Am. Say this to the people of Israel: I Am has sent me to you” (Exodus 3:14).
Thus, the existence of the Shroud of Turin raises two questions that I will attempt to address: First, what exactly is the Shroud? And second, a deeper dive into “Why does the cloth exist?”
The Shroud of Turin is a 14.5-by-3.5-foot linen cloth with a linear front to back mirror image of a crucified man. The Shroud has the distinction of being the most studied artifact in the world, yet the cloth’s numerous mysteries remained unexplained by modern science.
At this moment the Shroud lies in a fireproof box in the Cathedral of St. John the Baptist in Turin, Italy, as it has continuously since 1578. (But secretly relocated between 1939 and 1946 when Italian authorities feared Hitler was seeking possession.)
Dating the Shroud has been controversial and the subject of my July 21 piece.
Among Shroud historians, there is no dispute that in 1352, over 200 years before the Shroud was housed in Turin, Geoffrey DeCharney displayed the cloth in Lirey, France marking the beginning of the Shroud’s documented "modern" dating.
There is also much circumstantial Shroud evidence through art, artifacts, and coins that pre-dates 1352. Moreover, scientifically verified botanical evidence found on the cloth in the form of pollen, dust, flowers, and even the weave and type of linen traces the Shroud back to first-century Jerusalem.
The cloth with its mysterious properties has survived wars, invasions and the ravages of time including numerous fires — most recently in 1997 at its home cathedral in Turin.
Most harrowing was the 1532 fire in Chambéry, France. Miraculously the entire cloth was not destroyed but left those distinctive linear markings along both sides of the Shroud that we see today. Hard to imagine, but the linen cloth was stored in a silver box, folded in 48 layers, when drops of molten silver burned through the cloth’s outer folded edges.
The point is, against all the odds, the Shroud exists. And, as stated earlier, because He exists. There is also a significant Bible-based reason found in the Gospel of John known as “Doubting Thomas” (John 20:24-31).
But first, a “guest” who will explain this passage needs a proper introduction:
It turns out that the many Townhall readers who commented about not needing the Shroud’s “physical evidence to underpin their faith,” represent a large swath of Christian believers. I learned this when asking Russ Breault— my fellow Shroud exhibit team colleague, and a world-renowned Shroud expert and speaker — if he had experienced similar attitudes after over 30 years of hosting his popular “Shroud Encounters” to sell-out crowds.
Breault replied:
“I get that statement all the time! When someone says, ‘I don't need the Shroud for my faith,’ I usually say, ‘That is fantastic! But that doesn't mean the Shroud was not meant for someone else.’ ”
Breault continued: “In the Doubting Thomas story, Jesus pronounced a blessing on those who ‘believe yet have not seen,’ but Jesus did not condemn Thomas for his unbelief. In fact, a week after the Resurrection, Jesus appeared a second time, and the first person he spoke to was Thomas, who was not there to witness Jesus’ first appearance. Jesus then quotes Thomas' words back to him, ‘Thomas, thrust your hand into my side and place your fingers into my nail wounds and be not faithless but believe.’
At this point, Thomas — forever known as "Doubting Thomas" — makes the strongest profession of faith in the New Testament saying, "My Lord and my God." Then Jesus pronounced a blessing on those who can believe without seeing. So we are blessed if we can believe without seeing, but we are not cursed if we can't get there without some additional evidence.
Therefore, perhaps the Shroud is a silent witness to the world offering all of humanity the same opportunity Jesus gave to Thomas. In some proverbial sense by looking at the Shroud, we too can thrust our hand into His side and place our fingers into His nail wound and find our faith in the process.”
Thank you, Russ! And now my final thoughts for Townhall commenters.
If blessed with great faith, you are free to ignore or downplay the image on the Shroud showing Christ’s great suffering and victory over death. Yet, take comfort in knowing that the Shroud is there to supplement or reinforce the faith of others while potentially witnessing to the ever-increasing number of Doubting Thomases found throughout the world.
In the end, I believe that the Shroud exists as proof of God’s greatest gift to mankind —the Lord Jesus Christ — who lives and reigns forever and ever. Alleluia!
(Now, let the comments begin!)
May God bless you in the manner He knows best.
All we need is a yes or no answer to metmom's question.
The apparition made a specific statement with specific conditions.
+1
Facts do not support that claim. Anecdotal, mysterious phenomena granted, but unanswerable . Sometimes wisdom requires one to say “I just don’t know”.
You take the position that it is an image of Christ, fine, I simply say “I don’t think so, I can find no reason for such an artifact, but I do not and cannot know” ( and I won’t be asking when I see Him face to face!). I do however understand that the Scripture declares that Christ’s visage was marred beyond that of any man, that his beard was plucked out, that his body lashed into an unrecognizable condition and that He ( most importantly) died shedding his blood for the payment to His Righteous Holy Father for all of our sins and sin nature, that His body was broken for ours that by His massive stripes we are healed, and that by His exercise of His faith in His Father’s love, that we can come boldly to the Throne of Grace and be seen by the Omnipotent Creator LORD as His special children....
Some may need a shroud, a magic ceremony, an organization and miracles to believe, fine. Some simply understand ( well, sort of I suppose) that Jesus Love for us while we sinners is unfathomable and His dead and resurrection frees us from the law of sin and death itself. Amen.
It is all about Jesus, not anything or anyone else.
I disagree with your understanding. Metmom, care to refute that argument, AGAIN.
(Because if that is not your belief, then please explain what a person would have to do or fail to do, to lose their salvation.)"
I will sincerely appreciate whatever you have to say. I am particularly interested in what you would do with the two lines which *followed* the two lines you quoted, which I have cut-and-pasted above.
My mouth is shut, my ears are open. Thanks in advance.
I just scrolled down to two pages of queue and did not see metmom’s question. Would you kindly repeat the question?
Kudos! Wonderful analysis and conclusions.
Nice dodge. Try post 536. It was pinged to you.
Rhetorical flourishes aside, it is a blessing to consider the dynamics of Ephesians 4:29. We are urged to employ its method by way of functioning as the conduit for imparting God's grace, for the purpose of fulfilling the commandment of tangibly expressing [God's] love for our brother.
“Totally clueless. If you don’t think that seeing the fruit of the Spirit manifest in someone’s life is not evidence enough to convince someone that the claims of Christ are true, then you apparently have never met any real Christians.”
No what I said is just common sense: “Every Christian in the forum knows someone who did NOT come to know “that the claims of Christ are true” merely because of another person’s “changed life”.”
That is simply irrefutable. If it were otherwise, then how many non-Christians would there be? First century Jews saw Jesus - the very Son of God - in the flesh and most simply didn’t believe in Him even after miracles.
I do not respond to people who communicate by insult.
There was no fallacy in my statements.
You posted this:
“I will post the sentence you spewed that is the fallacy of the undistributed middle: “So everyone you know in daily life has become a believer in Christ, right?” vladimir998
But my comment was a perfectly logical one in response to metmom’s:
“If someone knows Christ, their lives will show it and people will see it.”
People might see a change in someone, but that does not guarantee that they will attribute this change to Christ, nor does it mean that they will concluded Christ is God, risen from the dead, the Messiah and so on. That was clearly what metmom was talking about: “A changed life is all the evidence an unbeliever needs to see in someone to know that the claims of Christ are true.”
Thus, my comment was perfectly logical based entirely on what metmom herself has said. There was no logical fallacy on my part at all.
Yes the motto is true, keeping in mind the conditions for being in a state of sanctifying grace.
Yes the motto is true, but "No," it would not be understood correctly by somebody who does not understand sanctifying grace, or the means of access to / increase of grace.
This answer is similar, I think,to what one might give for a parallel question:
(Acts 2:21) "Everyone who calls on the name of the LORD will be saved."
Vs.
(Matthew 7:21) "Not everyone who says to me, 'LORD, LORD' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven."
If #2 is true, does that mean #1 is false?
Yes or No answer, please.
Let's say the favor sought, is to enter into Heaven without any temporal punishments due to sin.
The conditions would be:
If you wished to gain this favor, the things necessary are the spiritual purification you ask God to give you through prayer and the sacraments, and detachment from sin. The scapular would be the sign of this, not the cause of it.
A person expecting to enter Heaven by wearing a scapular (without attachment to God and detachment from sin) would be practicing futility. In fact, a person receiving sacramental Confession and Sacramental Communion ---without sincere detachment from sin and attachment to God--- would be practicing not just futility but sacrilege.
This is comparable to a person expecting to enter Heaven by saying "The Sinner's Prayer" or some such "Lord, Lord" formula of words, but without attachment to God and detachment from sin.
It is amazing how carnal minded a carnal person can be, removing sentences from their context to try and pose a dichotomy.
I doubt the shroud would convince any skeptic to believe.
The rich man in hell thought that seeing a miracle would convince his brothers to believe and Abraham said that even if someone were to rise from the dead, they would not believe if they already didn't listen to God's word.
I see you’re back on that high horse again. Keep dodging.
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