Posted on 07/28/2019 6:02:04 AM PDT by Kaslin
I can tell you what my dad's was!
He must have scared my hair pretty good because most of it is gone now! LOL!
+1
The answer is the same as the basis for Sola Scriptura: faith.
Yet "faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God." (Romans 10:17) And as said, God manifestly made writing His most-reliable means of authoritative preservation. And as abundantly evidenced , as written, Scripture became the transcendent supreme standard for obedience and testing and establishing truth claims as the wholly Divinely inspired and assured, Word of God. Thus the veracity of even apostolic oral preaching could be subject to testing by Scripture, (Acts 17:11) and not vice versa.
That's over simplified. And it sounds like the Phariseeical tactic of forcing a false dichotomy, then demanding "answer yes or no."
Well, that seems to be the argument behind the polemical assertion of "we gave you the Bible" in response to those who use it to counter their self-proclaimed one true church.
The interesting thing, is that in reading the lives of several different saints, often they received direct revelations from God, and *strong* impressions, causing great agony if not followed, to pray on certain topics.
Private revelation, from God or not, is not the issue here.
Often the superiors spent *years* deliberately ordering them to refrain from these prayers. And yet, the Spirit told them to obey their superiors, at the cost of great anguish to themselves.
Regardless of the claim to be from the Spirit, obedience to man is always conditional upon obedience to God, but the test of that must be something established as being of God. And Scripture is the only substantive body of inspired Truth.
Sometimes I think a lot of the Protestant churches are like that; "Gee God, you're too slow on fixing all these problems, so we're gonna do it" and that has morphed (over time) into "well, I felt it was the right thing, so I went and did it. You can't judge me!"
Too often that is the recourse. However, in principle there is a place for dissent. The church actually began in dissent from those who sat in the seat of Moses over Israel, (Mt. 23:2) who were the historical instruments and stewards of Scripture, "because that unto them were committed the oracles of God," (Rm. 3:2) to whom pertaineth" the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises" (Rm. 9:4) of Divine guidance, presence and perpetuation as they believed, (Gn. 12:2,3; 17:4,7,8; Ex. 19:5; Lv. 10:11; Dt. 4:31; 17:8-13; Ps, 11:4,9; Is. 41:10, Ps. 89:33,34; Jer. 7:23)
And instead they followed an itinerant Preacher whom the magisterium rejected, and whom the Messiah reproved by Scripture as being supreme, (Mk. 7:2-16) and established His Truth claims upon scriptural substantiation in word and in power, as did the early church as it began upon this basis. (Mt. 22:23-45; Lk. 24:27,44; Jn. 5:36,39; Acts 2:14-35; 4:33; 5:12; 15:6-21;17:2,11; 18:28; 28:23; Rm. 15:19; 2Cor. 12:12, etc.)
And which is certainly not opposed to magisterial authority, but the authority of the NT church was under men of supreme Scriptural integrity "not walking in craftiness, nor handling the word of God deceitfully; but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man's conscience in the sight of God. (2 Co. 4:2) "in all things approving ourselves as the ministers of God..." (2 Co. 6:4)
Which is what is lacking today. Catholicism presumes too much of an office, and too little of Scripture, the only substantive body of Truth that is affirmed to be wholly inspired of God, and in which she is substantially absent and contrary to , while evangelicalism presumes too much of Scripture as far as practical authority is concerned, and too little of the magisterial office established thereby. The rest of Protestantism fails more. And both (and I) fail of the degree of holiness and faith the prima NT church exampled needed for the church of the living God to manifest itself as being so, and as grounded in and supporting the Truth. Time for greater repentance.
Nobody is trolling just because they are saying something you don't like or you disagree with.
IN addition, both your charges are pretty serious ones.
Prove that he's not speaking the truth in love and give us examples of where he's trolling.
Show us post numbers and prove that he did not back up his comments.
Mary is DEAD; just like the widow.
Sounds like there are well over a BILLION folks like that too!
SMH...
So; I guess that Rome DOES have the originals in a vault in the Vatican!
How cool is THAT!!!?
I know and yes.
There was not much integrity in that was there?
I DO???
I'd hate to admit that I was that dumb.
Pure gold, Elsie.
Rome says, "It's ok if you do the things that an apparition tells you."
Were these passages twisty and little before you came upon them?
Yep. Cause Saul of Tarsus converting to St. Paul did such a bang-up job on converting his fellow Jews.
So; the Scripture that Rome has given us IS adequate to get a person saved and on to heaven.
Thanks.
This far into the thread and there is STILL some low hanging fruit to be picked:
I’m at work now. You at least are engaging in good faith.
No more till tonight, if then (household chores/ other correspondents).
Either your tagline or THIS:
Please look behind the veil of whatever website provided these quotes and learn about True devotion to Mary.
If an apparition (or anyone) tells you, "Turn away from your sins and pray for God's mercy," I think you should do it.
If an apparition tells you, "Do whatever you want, God's cool with that," I would strongly advise against it.
Who told you that?
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