Posted on 07/21/2019 6:56:03 AM PDT by Kaslin
This has been discussed at length by Father Spitzer several differ times this past year on EWTN ...
The 3D image that was burned instantaneously has yet to be duplicated...even with 21st century technology.
As an aside, during a business trip to Italy, my host & I had dinner in downtown Turin. Afterwards, we walked by “the church” and the feeling was unbelievable - quite powerful.
I went to a three day conference on the Shroud hosted by eminent scientists who showed the Shroud could not have been a fraud perpetrated by medieval artists. They said the carbon dating was made from a repair made in the 13th. or so century and not from the Shroud itself. I am fully convinced it is true.
That thing cracks me up every time I see it. 6’ 2” Nordic looking white guy in 1st Century Judea? Yeah right.
I recall Turin was a large city with exceptionally wide sidewalks in the downtown area.
Idol (and idle) worship.
It does not matter if the shroud is real or fake.
For you doubters, see my post #3
I am sure the difference between veneration and worship will come up. I like to use the term historical artifact.
I wonder if the Vatican has tried to clone the blood. You know thats a novel somewhere on a publishers desk.
John 20:6-7: Then cometh Simon Peter following him, and went into the sepulchre, and seeth the linen clothes lie, And the napkin, that was about his head, not lying with the linen clothes, but wrapped together in a place by itself.
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First the figure is NOT 6”2”, Second the “negative”image of the face has been distorted to the naked eye do to whatever process took place to create it.
Artists (3 in particular)have spent hundreds of hours creating what the actual face that created the image would likely look like and none bear much resemblance to the “negative image”
I stand by this point of view. In the Fall of 1933 the Shroud was publicly displayed in the Cathedral of Turin. One of the people who saw it was Hans Scholl, a 15-year-old German vacationing in Italy. His bio says that Scholl was deeply moved by this "real icon" of Christ and the evidence of His grievous death for the salvation of the world.
School returned to Germany, quit the Hitler Youth to which head briefly belonged, and within 10 years died a martyr's death as the leader of the anti-Hitler Resistance. He was beheaded in Munich's Stedelheim Prison in 1943.
I don't say the Shroud "caused" his heroism. The enlightenment of souls in a mystery in the hands of God. But I would say that anything God uses that stirs the heart, strengthens the Faith, and turns a person away from the path of death, is--- well, a good thing. A very good thing.
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“6 2 Nordic looking white guy in 1st Century Judea?”
You have a very vivid imagination. You should consider a creative writing class.
There is a shroud of Turin for one reason....... to increase the take in the offering plates
Hard to top the shroud crowd in the imagination dept.
That's a completely reasonable and productive way to approach it imo.
He doesn’t look Jewish, period.
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