Posted on 12/18/2018 8:16:12 AM PST by GIdget2004
The Trump administration is officially banning bump-fire stocks, senior Justice Department officials told CNN Tuesday.
Under a new federal rule, those who possess the devices, commonly known as bump stocks, will get 90 days to turn them in from the date that the final rule is published in the federal register, which is likely Friday, the officials said.
Bump stocks gained national attention last year after a gunman in Las Vegas rigged his weapons with the devices to fire on concertgoers, killing 58 people. President Donald Trump vowed to outlaw the devices soon after the tragedy, and some lawmakers on Capitol Hill urged him to back a permanent legislative fix.
But opposition from lawmakers and the National Rifle Association ultimately made a regulatory change the only realistic path forward to accomplishing the President's goal.
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If the Hughes amendment does not ban automatic weapons, which it does not, it’s not relevant to the conversation. You may think you’re discussing this from a level of higher knowledge but you’re not. Automatic weapons are not banned in the United States. Period.
You still came across as a wise ass know it all punk.
Back at you soldier. Cheers.
The grand part of our Constitution is that it grants us all the right to have an opinion and to express it no matter whether it is right or wrong just as your teacher had and did. I only partially agree with (only a little bit) with the opinion and premise stated but I’ll defend the teacher as well as you to have it and to express it.
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“For once, the unelected bureaucrats aren’t to blame. The ATF told Obama multiple times that the NFA doesn’t authorize them to ban bump stocks through regulations.
This comes straight from the top. This is happening because the President insisted. Don’t let Trump off the hook. “
This bears repeating. The BATFE repeatedly stated, correctly, it did not fall into their regulatory purview under the 1934 NFA and 1968 GCA. This is all Trump, period. The only reason the new regulation was issued is because Trump demanded it, so they tortured the English language sufficiently to get their regulation written.
For once, BATFE really didn’t do anything wrong here. This is Trump, period.
“Because nobody has them......
It was a device that no one I know ever used or heard of until Vegas. I never heard of it pre Vegas.
Not the hill to die on”
How about Separation of Powers? How about the clear wording of the Constitution that the executive is not permitted to rewrite the law without congress passing a bill to make the changes? Is the Constitution a hill worth dying on? Is refusing to be ruled via fiat by a single man a hill worth dying on?
This isn’t about bump stocks.
I never said Bump stocks made a weapon automatic. They don’t. I said that pretty much they are a novelty that aren’t very accurate. In a live fire situation they aren’t t much good.
If you have that much experience with automatic weapons lay down on the ground and fire a bump stock then get back to me.
“If the Hughes amendment does not ban automatic weapons, which it does not, it’s not relevant to the conversation. You may think you’re discussing this from a level of higher knowledge but you’re not. Automatic weapons are not banned in the United States. Period.”
All full auto firearms manufactured after May 19, 1986 are BANNED for individual possession. Period. Those manufactured before that date and that were on the NFRTR are grandfathered. They can still be possessed and transferred, at exorbitant prices (last I saw, a select fire M-16 has a market value of around $30,000).
Do not be obtuse by making a blanket ‘banned’ or ‘not banned’ statement. The details matter.
Note the last sentence of the 4th paragraph of my reply. The word “prone” means “lying down.” I did exactly that, with a bi-pod, and the accuracy performance with the bump stock in bump fire mode at 100 yards was 100% hits with all bursts on a man sized silhouette target.
Again, this was after one afternoon of practice. Maybe my experience enabled this performance, but I think that any person of normal dexterity and marksmanship ability could obtain similar results.
So Thanks for telling me I’m right. Nobody hates gun control more than me. I am making the point that Trump feels this is a nothing burger trade off. Which in reality it is. Even though I personally think everyone who wants a bump stock should have one. And it’s unlawful as a bump stock does not turn a rifle into an automatic weapon. Likely someone will present a court challenge.
I’m far more concerned about the ATF looking at parts kits for lowers.
“Likely someone will present a court challenge.”
GOA has already filed, and there is at least one other I can’t recall. I don’t think the federal courts really care about the law, however. They’ll rule however they want to rule and what the law says will not be part of their thought process.
“I’m far more concerned about the ATF looking at parts kits for lowers.”
I agree fully with your statement. I have a Franklin Arms Armory binary trigger in two of my AR-15 lower receivers. To get them to run right in rapid fire, I did have to do a bit of tuning with different buffer weights and recoil spring swaps to prevent bolt carrier bounce, but once I got that sorted, they are better than a bump stock for simulated full auto fire. IO can run them reliably at close to a 700 round per minute rate.
I suppose binary triggers will be the next part that BATF deems top be a “machine gun.” I live in Georgia, and I thank GOD that that gun grabbing semi-comnmie, Stacy Abrams did not get elected here.
> Quoting the constitution proves you know nothing about the law. You have to cite controlling Supreme Court opinions. <
I’m not quite sure why you had to be a little snarky there...but for me the wording of the Constitution matters. And that’s what I was discussing.
USSC opinions have great impact, for sure. But when it comes to discussing our freedoms (and the freedoms of the individual states), I’d guess that we’d have to look to the Constitution itself.
Lol Cheers and Merry Christmas.
Not from what others have said.
Merry Christmas.
It is going to be challenged
I have no problem with that, it should be challenged.
But I am not going to lose sleep over it.
All full auto firearms manufactured after May 19, 1986 are BANNED for individual possession.
I did not say they aren’t. I said that if you want to buy an automatic firearm in the U.S. you can. Neither of you making the same argument can explain how that’s a ban. I just cannot understand the argument that you guys are trying to make. Regardless, at this point all any of us are doing is repeating ourselves, so I am going to bow out. Merry Christmas to both of you!
Actually the ATF is looking at binary triggers right now. I Wouldn’t use one because they are dangerous as chit but I’ll die to protect your right to play dangerous.
Mr. GG2 bobbed the hammer, polished the surfaces on the hammer and trigger and put in green springs on his AR15. But he doesn’t really trust the green springs so he’s going to install an Anderson SS fire control group with a blue spring kit for higher reliability.
My advice to people is stock up on kits now. Otherwise in the future it’s possible you will have to custom order every weapon so the parts are put on the rifles at point of manufacture.
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