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8 Million People Are Working Illegally in the U.S. Here’s Why That’s Unlikely to Change.
New York Times ^ | Dec. 11, 2018 | MIRIAM JORDAN

Posted on 12/11/2018 7:32:59 PM PST by ConservativeStatement

They make beds in inns across the country. They pick oranges in Florida, strawberries in California and vegetables in Ohio. And they have built new subdivisions in Phoenix, Atlanta and Charlotte.

For years, policymakers have talked about shutting off the influx of undocumented workers. But the economy has grown to rely on them.

Ending illegal immigration, say many of those who have studied the issue, could mean that American workers would lose their jobs, companies would close and the economy would contract.

(Excerpt) Read more at msn.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Mexico
KEYWORDS: aliens; democraticvoters; electionfraud; ilegals; illegalimmigrants; immigration; treason; voterfraud
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To: Buckeye McFrog

if they are replacing menial labor using robots why do we need so many migrants? Also the argument that the economy depends on them now is the sort of argument you would have heard in south carolina around 1860 on why they needed slaves.


121 posted on 12/12/2018 6:32:28 AM PST by ozarker
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To: ConservativeStatement

It’s been “8 million” for the last 25-years. I’m sure it’s triple that.


122 posted on 12/12/2018 6:53:13 AM PST by MissTed ( Private Tagline - Do Not Read!)
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To: RitchieAprile

Just a comment on how impossible it is to deport. Threaten to shoot them instead of government them free stuff and you wont have to deport them.


123 posted on 12/12/2018 7:07:07 AM PST by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: GuavaCheesePuff

Don’t let them rent a house, don’t let their kids in school, don’t let them get a job, don’t give them any assistance. Turn around and they will be gone.


124 posted on 12/12/2018 7:18:06 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped)
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To: ConservativeStatement

This is sick. We need a direct military defense of this insane border now!

https://www.breitbart.com/border/2018/12/11/watch-migrant-families-cross-texas-border-seeking-asylum/


125 posted on 12/12/2018 7:19:42 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: sheana; oldasrocks; laplata; SoConPubbie; Osage Orange; Vigilanteman; momincombatboots; ...

During my 37 years experience working on design and manufacture of machines subjected to more brutal impact loads than any other machine in the world (cold extrusion of steel), the most important thing I learned is pay more attention to actual results and ignore theory and opinions.

So...on subject of foreign labor, the best example to learn from is from countries who are actually successful using foreign labor. 2 years ago I had the opportunity to spend a few days of vacation time in Singapore and wanted to know why Singapore has more millionaires based on population size than any other country, including Switzerland and Dubai and Kuwait. Every 6th Singapore citizen (a mix of Chinese, Indians & a few Arabs Plus a few left over British) has net worth more than $1 Million US dollars.

Breakdown of Singapore worker population: 66% Singapore citizens, 34% foreign labor. Unemployment rate in Singapore is essentially zero. Only people without jobs are those who quit one job to look for another or another career in business.

So why is Singapore so affluent? It was not always so. When it was a British colony, majority of people were not rich. After gaining independence, some really smart people became leaders and changed the country.

First, there is zero welfare in Singapore for able bodied people over 18 and under 65. If you do not work, you can starve. But since jobs are plentiful, no one starves.

Foreign workers are given a 2 year work visa, based on need. At the end of 2 years they must go back and re-apply for another 2 year visa. Most foreign workers are doing low skilled labor jobs. Because their wages in Singapore are so much better than their nearby countries (India, Pakistan, Myanmar, Indonesia, Thailand etc) foreign workers follow the rules. Anyone who breaks laws or starts religious conflict is promptly deported never allowed again in Singapore. Result is Buddhists, Hindu’s and Muslims get along without conflicts.

Getting back to United States, we should adopt similar system. Issue a 2 year work visa to foreign workers based on need. They must leave at end of 2 years and re-apply. Deport all illegals without exceptions. No welfare benefits to any foreign worker. Foreign workers must pay income tax. They can sign up for social security taxes but must work 20 years+ to be eligible for any benefits. US citizens become eligible to receive social security benefits with only 10 years of work.


126 posted on 12/12/2018 8:55:53 AM PST by entropy12 (One million LEGAL immigrants/year is too many, without vetting for skills, Wealth or English skills.)
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To: entropy12
Good post. I've been to Singapore on business trips and spent a lot of time with Singaporean colleagues. Typically, I was out of the hotel at 8 am and not back until 8 pm or later. Ten hour days are the norm for most workers in Singapore. This includes long business lunches where much business is discussed.

You can work less, but most of them choose not to do so. The place I was working with took a whole 30 minutes to get to-- long by Singapore standards-- and they had problems keeping and recruiting workers as a result. Of course, the nature of the business required that they be in one of the industrial parks and away from Orchard Road, but they all seemed to have fun at work. I think this helps explain why 1/6th of them are millionaires.

Even with a large foreign work force (1/3rd as you say), there are still those who try to skirt the law. Employers are discouraged by massive fines, employees, who cannot afford to pay such fines, can get punishment up to and including cane strokes on the bare backside for repeat offenses. I'm sure one of your Singaporean colleagues explained in detail what caning involved.

127 posted on 12/12/2018 9:08:56 AM PST by Vigilanteman (The politicized state destroys all aspects of civil society, human kindness and private charity.)
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To: entropy12

Very good. Thanks for sharing your good thoughts and experience. If the US did what you advocate, we would be in good shape. But we know the reality of the situation.


128 posted on 12/12/2018 9:29:47 AM PST by laplata (The Left/Progressives have diseased minds.)
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To: GuavaCheesePuff

Go find the historic records of Operation Wetback.

Started by Truman, and continued by Eisenhower.

Between them they pushed over 11 million out of the USA-—in the late 40’s & early 50’s.


129 posted on 12/12/2018 9:32:15 AM PST by ridesthemiles
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To: rolling_stone

You are correct.

OVER 61% of the people in Federal prisons are illegals.

More taxpayers need to know this.


130 posted on 12/12/2018 9:33:18 AM PST by ridesthemiles
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To: marktwain
What matters is getting a handle on the flood of foreign born people in our country, who are being used to destroy the country and culture we have had and wish to keep.

Unless there is an "affirmative action" to bring major "American" institutions(education/media/political/economic)more into ideological balance, we won't need to worry about foreign born...the "home grown" brain-fornicated will(continue to)do the job of destroying the country from within just fine on their own via brainwashing by their progressive satanic masters.

There are plenty of people who can put a stop to the insurrection/sedition that is occurring, but unfortunately the majority of them are too worried about the "being called names" nonsense, more than they are about doing what is(morally)right/necessary to save the country from these parasites that are destroying it.

Yes, the progressives are(mostly)a bunch of spoiled children who have learned if they yell/cry/stomp their feet enough...they'll eventually get their way.

Well, despite modern "passive" parenting practices(brought to us, among other cancers, by said institutions)...there are still(obviously)situations that can(and will)ONLY be resolved...by a good, hard, "old-fashioned",...spanking.

It starts with castrating the fornicators of the(said)fornicated.

In other words...

...use sticks and stones to break their bone...

...their "names" will never hurt us.

131 posted on 12/12/2018 9:55:46 AM PST by RckyRaCoCo (Please Pray For My Brother Ken)
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To: entropy12

Good post.


132 posted on 12/13/2018 9:37:57 AM PST by Osage Orange (Whiskey Tango Foxtrot)
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To: ConservativeStatement

“They make beds in inns across the country. They pick oranges in Florida, strawberries in California and vegetables in Ohio. And they have built new subdivisions in Phoenix, Atlanta and Charlotte.”

And if you get rid of them, Americans will get their jobs back. Come to Tennessee, you will see Americans doing all of those jobs. Every single one of them.

It has been proven that the areas that the illegals take over have had weed shops. Construction gardening, those now pay so little that Americans can’t afford to do those jobs in the areas that the illegals have taken over.

Decades ago in one of the very few ice raids Bush did, a meat packing plant in Kansas lost all of its employees. They had to raise their asking wage by about $4 an hour before Americans could take the jobs.


133 posted on 01/14/2019 7:06:52 PM PST by CottonBall (We are not represented, we are ruled.)
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To: GuavaCheesePuff

What the hell does cell division have to do with anything? You’re just trying to obfuscate that of course we could Deport every single illegal. And we absolutely should.


134 posted on 01/14/2019 7:09:09 PM PST by CottonBall (We are not represented, we are ruled.)
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To: ConservativeStatement

OK, so how many able-bodied Americans are on welfare?

Can you say, “Hmmm... I see a possible solution?”


135 posted on 01/14/2019 7:22:43 PM PST by Alas Babylon! (I can always count on some FReeper to paint a dark cloud above the silver lining. --Moonman62)
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