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How Strong Does the Evidence Against Kavanaugh Need to Be?
Failing NYT ^

Posted on 09/21/2018 6:49:38 AM PDT by TigerClaws

The allegation made by Christine Blasey Ford — that at age 15 she was the victim of a sexual assault by a 17-year-old Brett Kavanaugh — has not only upended Judge Kavanaugh’s Supreme Court confirmation hearings, but has also left Americans wondering what standards should apply to an accusation like this.

It’s natural to place this sort of accusation within a criminal-justice framework: the burden of proof beyond a reasonable doubt; the presumption of innocence; the right to confront and respond to an accuser. If Judge Kavanaugh stood criminally accused of attempted rape, all of that would apply with full force. But those concepts are a poor fit for Supreme Court confirmation hearings, where there’s no presumption of confirmation, and there’s certainly no burden that facts be established beyond a reasonable doubt.

What matters here isn’t law as much as politics — though not (or not just) partisan politics. Confirmation hearings are also about constitutional politics — the debate, involving both institutions of government and the polity, about what the Constitution means and requires.

So what standard should the Senate use in evaluating the claims made by Dr. Blasey and in deciding how they bear on Judge Kavanaugh’s fitness for a seat on the Supreme Court? The Senate’s approach to its constitutional “advice and consent” obligation has always depended on context. A number of factors matter: the timing of the vacancy; the justice being replaced; the nominee’s likely impact on the ideological makeup of the court; even the popularity of the president (very popular presidents have always had more leeway when it comes to picking justices). Then, of course, there’s the nominee.

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To: DarthVader

Not anymore. The standard is now: “Listen and Believe!!!”


41 posted on 09/21/2018 7:07:21 AM PDT by Kriggerel ("All great truths are hard and bitter, but lies... are sweeter than wild honey" (Ragnar Redbeard))
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To: AndyJackson

There is no evidence in my eyes.


42 posted on 09/21/2018 7:08:15 AM PDT by DarthVader ("The biggest misconception on Free Republic is that the Deep State is invulnerable")
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To: TigerClaws

I’m so bored with this farce.i


43 posted on 09/21/2018 7:09:49 AM PDT by Bonemaker (invictus maneo)
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To: TigerClaws

This woman went to a school where the students bragged about their party hardy wild times. A good guess would be that she was felt-up (or more) numerous times but wasn’t bothered by it until it was necessary for a particular agenda. No doubt there are those who are busy “documenting” disgusting events that never happened concerning each and every possible selection that President Trump may make for any type of position.


44 posted on 09/21/2018 7:11:56 AM PDT by ryderann
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To: TigerClaws
Kavanaugh does no support Roe v Wade(which is bad law een if you're pro abortion)(; therefore, he is guilty. NARAL must mediate the death penaltyfor his thought crime.


45 posted on 09/21/2018 7:12:17 AM PDT by Stepan12 (It is Civll War right now..)
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To: Verginius Rufus

Considering her involvement with a “therapist”, your (2) is a significant possibility. I’m gong with (1), though. I think it fits the utter lack of a story better.


46 posted on 09/21/2018 7:13:44 AM PDT by NorthMountain (... the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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To: TigerClaws
“If the FBI were to find strong evidence implicating Kavanaugh in a crime, Democrats would oppose him. If there were a muddled mix of accusations and memories, Democrats would oppose him. If Kavanaugh were completely vindicated, Democrats would oppose him.”
47 posted on 09/21/2018 7:13:53 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: Red Badger
"Stronger than a ‘He said - she said’ "

It's even worse than that, it's a they said she said...
48 posted on 09/21/2018 7:13:57 AM PDT by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: gov_bean_ counter

We may first need an accusation. Christine Ford has not even spoken to accuse anyone. I haven’t heard her and I wath the news in the background constantly.


49 posted on 09/21/2018 7:14:01 AM PDT by Stepan12 (It is Civll War right now..)
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To: Williams

Exactly!!!
To even give this extremely old nonissue any
Credit at all is ludicrous. I won’t go through all the reasons we all know here. But this whole thing is a mockery of our justice system and women. She is a prime example of mental case and political hit job. Anyone who supports her in this sham is even worse allowing this planned moronic attack.


50 posted on 09/21/2018 7:15:42 AM PDT by TianaHighrider
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To: TigerClaws

In case the Failing NYT didn’t notice, the evidence from many women FOR Kavanaugh as to his character and his behavior toward women as a boyfriend is extremely strong. How much does that evidence count in this ludicrous situation?


51 posted on 09/21/2018 7:16:16 AM PDT by Cecily
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To: TigerClaws

If Blasey won’t show up on Monday, tell her and her BITCH lawyers (and her cult-like #MoveOn supporters) to SHOVE IT!!!!

Confirm Judge Kavanaugh early next week, and consign the whole Blasey accusation to the dustbin of history!!!!


52 posted on 09/21/2018 7:16:19 AM PDT by Honorary Serb (Kosovo is Serbia! Free Srpska! Abolish ICTY!)
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To: TigerClaws
How strong

It doesn’t matter to Trump-hating Leftists. He’s guilty! Period.

53 posted on 09/21/2018 7:17:05 AM PDT by windsorknot
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To: TigerClaws
Judge Kavanaugh has been nominated to fill a pivotal seat on the court.

The seat that should've been Robert Bork's.

Remind them of this. I haven't forgotten.

54 posted on 09/21/2018 7:17:08 AM PDT by Drew68
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To: ScottinVA

“I’ve been scouring the ‘net for any word as to whether the committee is sticking by the 1000 deadline. Anyone else see anything?”

No, but I did hear that Grassley is discussing options or alternatives with other senators on the Judiciary Committee at this time.


55 posted on 09/21/2018 7:18:34 AM PDT by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: TigerClaws

It needs to be stronger than a 35 year old Big Fat Claim.


56 posted on 09/21/2018 7:20:06 AM PDT by cuban leaf
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To: grobdriver

Exactly. Until she gives a date and place, there is nothing to investigate.


57 posted on 09/21/2018 7:20:33 AM PDT by cuban leaf
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To: TigerClaws

https://heavy.com/news/2018/09/christine-blasey-ford-husband-russell-family/


58 posted on 09/21/2018 7:20:41 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Sacajaweau

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59 posted on 09/21/2018 7:23:22 AM PDT by TigerClaws
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To: TigerClaws
This context-dependent approach arguably leads to the conclusion that the existence of credible allegations against Judge Kavanaugh should be disqualifying, especially if further corroborating evidence emerges. That’s true even if the evidence wouldn’t support a criminal conviction or even civil liability.

So there are multiple standards we could apply here beyond the strict proof beyond a reasonable shadow of a doubt or demonstration by clear and convincing evidence.

Let's start with the "character testimony" standard. Under this standard testimony regarding someone's good or bad character is weighted by the gravitas of the attestant, a judge highly regarded for his jurisprudence, law school professors, colleagues of high professional standing.

Here of course we have everyone else in the - this is one of the most decent qualified human beings ever to be considered for the post.

On the other side we have one lone detractor who isn't even an attestant because among her many personal failings she can't bring herself to go on the record and say what happened. And then we have a year-book and other contemporary evidence suggesting that her testimony should be given the weight of Avanti telling us what Stormy would tell us.

I think we can dismiss her non-testimentary flimsy statement right there.

Or let's look at the political standard - does this person represent the kind of person we seek for this position. Well, we the voters decided that when we picked Trump especially because of his statements on who and what kind of person he would put on the SC. He has been true to his word. His K something different than what we were promised. We have prodigious evidence and testimony to the contrary.

The sole claim we have that the will of the voters should be thwarted rests on the inarticulate hearsay utterance of someone who certainly led a morally wayward life in high-school protected from the consequences of her actions by the kind of upperclass suburban DC white privilege that all of us would like to aspire to. Has she subsequently redeemed herself, showing that she has learned from a misspent youth and straightened herself out now leading a blameless life.

I think the answer there is a resounding NO! And so should her testimony against the character of K be weighed in the balance to thwart the will of the voters.

Even more resoundingly NO!

I sure hope the GOP does not give in to the calls from the left to abandon intellectual rigor, as they [the GOP] invariably do.

60 posted on 09/21/2018 7:23:56 AM PDT by AndyJackson
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