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To: Luircin; metmom; boatbums; daniel1212; aMorePerfectUnion
the church calls itself Roman Catholic

It is usually a good idea to learn something about the subject you intend to opine. The Church is Catholic. "Roman" is one particular rite of the Church you are most familiar with. "Roman Catholic" is a Protestant slur invented to make Catholics foreigners in their English-speaking countries.

Rome claims that you have to earn your salvation by works, oh, excuse me, ‘merits.’

No, "Rome" doesn't. We are saved by Grace alone, just as St. Paul teaches.

Roman Catholics claim you have to be Roman Catholic instead.

Catholics of all rites can be saved, or they can be lost. Non-Catholics can be saved and they can be lost. Non-Christians can be saved or they can be lost. Being Catholic helps, indeed, but salvation occurs when we are judged (not saved but judged) by Christ according to our works of mercy (Mattheew 25, second half). Genuine authentic faith in Christ is found in the Catholic (or Orthodox) Church, where people "who call on the name of the Lord" go. But, as Christ teaches in many places, one can be saved by Christ without realizing He is Christ. On the other hand, especially hard it is to find salvation in the stifling confines of Protestant heresies, based on the hatred of people of Christ and poor familiarity with the Holy Scripture that the Church gave them to study.

Shall we continue? After that, your post descends into comical.

451 posted on 08/24/2018 4:56:58 AM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: annalex

Rome was the seat of the Pope at the time of the reformation. Today the Vatican persists in Rome

American prelates take orders from the pope who resides in Rome

Your rationalization effort is pathetic


454 posted on 08/24/2018 5:00:18 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12) Muller..... conspiracy to over throw the government)
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To: annalex

If my post is so comical, you should be able to rebut the rest of it without any problem, especially with reference to Scripture, which I note that you haven’t referred to at all other than the typical Roman talking points.

The fact that you don’t suggests that you can’t.

Therefore my points stand, and Roman Catholicism is no kind of ‘One True Church’ because its theology contradicts the Apostles.

QED.


464 posted on 08/24/2018 6:01:42 AM PDT by Luircin
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To: annalex
"Roman Catholic" is a Protestant slur invented to make Catholics foreigners in their English-speaking countries.

How does that work in Italy?


 
 
 
 
Them Damned Prots screw up EVERYTHING!!
 
 

465 posted on 08/24/2018 6:12:42 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: annalex
Non-Catholics can be saved and they can be lost.

Now THIS is news!!


"One indeed is the universal Church of the faithful, outside which no one at all is saved, in which the priest himself is the sacrifice, Jesus Christ, whose body and blood are truly contained in the sacrament of the altar under the species of bread and wine; the bread (changed) into His body by the divine power of transubstantiation, and the wine into the blood, so that to accomplish the mystery of unity we ourselves receive from His (nature) what He Himself received from ours."

--Pope Innocent III and Lateran Council IV (A.D. 1215)

467 posted on 08/24/2018 6:14:40 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: annalex
We are saved by Grace alone, just as St. Paul teaches.


468 posted on 08/24/2018 6:17:20 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: annalex
  We are saved by Grace alone, just as St. Paul teaches.
 
HMMMmmm...  Looks like someone with a bit more 'authority' than you has a different veiw of things!
 
 
 
 
 
 


 26. "Gens quæ non servierit illi, peribit; gentes destitutæ tantæ Matris auxilio, destituuntur auxilio Filii et totius curi’‘ coelestis."— De Laud. B. M. I. 4.

Cardinal Hugo http://fatima.org/crusader/cr38/cr38pg3.asp 

 

Translation:  "that those who do not serve Mary will not be saved; for those who are deprived of the help of this great Mother are also deprived of that of Her Son and of the whole court of heaven."


469 posted on 08/24/2018 6:20:59 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: annalex; Luircin
"Roman Catholic" is a Protestant slur invented to make Catholics foreigners in their English-speaking countries.

Oh, poor us.

We're such martyrs.

Everyone hates us.

They're all such meanies.

We never did anything wrong.

Of boo hoo, poor us.

Oh wait a minute. Y'all can't claim the martyr cause y'all used the term for yourselves.

Pius XII, Humani Generis (27,28): "Some say they are not bound by the doctrine, explained in Our Encyclical Letter of a few years ago, and based on the Sources of Revelation, which teaches that the Mystical Body of Christ and the Roman Catholic Church are one and the same thing.[6] Some reduce to a meaningless formula the necessity of belonging to the true Church in order to gain eternal salvation...These and like errors, it is clear, have crept in among certain of Our sons."
http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/pius_xii/encyclicals/documents/hf_p-xii_enc_12081950_humani-generis_en.html

And look at this one. By a pope.

BEFORE the Reformation.

Pope Eugene IV, Cantate Domino (1441): "The most Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes and preaches that none of those existing outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans, but also Jews and heretics and schismatics, can have a share in life eternal; but that they will go into the "eternal fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels" (Matthew 25:41), unless before death they are joined with Her; and that so important is the unity of this ecclesiastical body that only those remaining within this unity can profit by the sacraments of the Church unto salvation, and they alone can receive an eternal recompense for their fasts, their almsgivings, their other works of Christian piety and the duties of a Christian soldier. No one, let his almsgiving be as great as it may, no one, even if he pour out his blood for the Name of Christ, can be saved, unless he remain within the bosom and the unity of the Catholic Church."

473 posted on 08/24/2018 6:55:26 AM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith......)
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To: annalex; metmom; boatbums; Luircin; HarleyD; aMorePerfectUnion; imardmd1
It is usually a good idea to learn something about the subject you intend to opine. The Church is Catholic. "Roman" is one particular rite of the Church you are most familiar with. "Roman Catholic" is a Protestant slur invented to make Catholics foreigners in their English-speaking countries.

It is indeed usually a good idea to learn something about the subject you intend to opine - rather than parroting profuse RC propaganda. Here, if "Roman Catholic" is a Protestant slur invented to make Catholics foreigners in their English-speaking countries," by using the distinguishing term "Roman," then your church is guilty of making that distinction, even if usually, but not always, adding commas and "apostolic:"

Ubi Primum, Pope Leo XII, May 5, 1824: "“By heart we believe and by mouth confess the one Church, not of heretics but the Holy Roman, Catholic , and Apostolic Church outside which we believe that no one is saved.”

Vatican Council I (1870): "The holy, Catholic, Apostolic, Roman Church ..."

Pope Pius XII Mystici Corporis Christi (June 29, 1943): "this true Church of Jesus Christ - which is the One, Holy, Catholic, Apostolic and Roman Church ..."

Pope Pius XII, Humani Generis (12 August 1950): "the Mystical Body of Christ and the Roman Catholic Church are one and the same thing"

The "Roman" distinction even preceded the Reformation, and continued after it began:

Dictatus Papae (1075): "That the Roman church has never erred; nor will it err to all eternity, the Scripture bearing witness.”

Pope Innocent III profession required of the Waldensians: “With our hearts we believe and with our lips we confess but one Church, not that of the heretics, but the Holy Roman Catholic and Apostolic Church, outside which we believe that no one is saved.” (Denzinger 423)

Bull Cantate Domino, by Pope Eugene IV, 1441: "The most Holy Roman Church..."

Exsurge Domine1 promulgated by Pope Leo X against Martin Luther: "the eminent cardinals of the holy Roman Church ."

QUO PRIMUM TEMPORE, 4 July 1570 "the Holy Roman Church .." Pope Paul IV, Cum Ex Apostolatus Officio of 1559: "the Holy Roman Church ..."

Non-Catholics can be saved and they can be lost.

You mean Prots who do not convert to the Catholic church at the end are not lost?

480 posted on 08/24/2018 7:48:22 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + follow Him)
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To: annalex; Luircin; metmom; daniel1212; aMorePerfectUnion
"Roman Catholic" is a Protestant slur invented to make Catholics foreigners in their English-speaking countries.

What a ridiculous assertion! Since Roman Catholics presumed to claim exclusive right to the term "church" and "catholic", which originally meant "of the whole" or "universal", it was necessary to differentiate the ROMAN version of Christianity from others. If it is a "slur", then explain why your religion uses it themselves?

495 posted on 08/24/2018 3:38:52 PM PDT by boatbums (Not by works of righteousness which we have done but according to His mercy he saved us.)
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To: annalex; Luircin; metmom; boatbums; daniel1212; aMorePerfectUnion
"Roman Catholic" is a Protestant slur invented to make Catholics foreigners in their English-speaking countries.

The term "Roman", as in the "Roman Church", has been used since the Middle Ages – often connoting the local particular church of the Diocese of Rome – the first known occurrence of "Roman Catholic" as a synonym for "Catholic Church" was in communication with the Armenian Apostolic Church in 1208, after the East–West Schism.[3][4]

[I don't think the Armenians were big on English as a language!]

Like the term "Anglican", the term "Roman Catholic" only came into widespread use in the English language in the 17th century.[24] The terms "Romish Catholic" and "Roman Catholic" were both in use in the 17th century and "Roman Catholic" was used in some official documents, such as those relating to the Spanish Match in the 1620s. There was, however, significant tension between Anglicans and Roman Catholics at the time (as reflected in the Test Act for public office). Even today, the Act of Settlement 1701 still prohibits Roman Catholics from becoming English monarchs.

he Baltimore Catechism, the official catechism authorized by the Catholic bishops of the United States between 1885 and 1965, statet: "That is why we are called Roman Catholics; to show that we are united to the real successor of St. Peter" (Question 118), and refers to the Church as the "Roman Catholic Church" under Questions 114 and 131.[113] There are efforts of conservative Catholics to keep alive teachings of this catechism that were not retained in the Post-Vatican II catechism published in 1992,[63] like "Roman Catholic Church" that has not appeared in the Catechism of the Catholic Church since 1992.[114]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Catholic_(term)

Guess those mean ol' Protestants are forcing these Roman Catholic churches to identify in this manner!

Church Sign for Saint Ann Roman Catholic Church

501 posted on 08/24/2018 4:27:58 PM PDT by ealgeone (SCRIPTURE DOES NOT CHANGE!)
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To: annalex; ealgeone; Luircin; metmom; daniel1212; aMorePerfectUnion; Mark17
No, "Rome" doesn't. We are saved by Grace alone, just as St. Paul teaches.

Being Catholic helps, indeed, but salvation occurs when we are judged (not saved but judged) by Christ according to our works of mercy (Mattheew 25, second half).

I don't think I'm the only one to spot that blaring contradiction.

Roman Catholic double-speak that says we are "saved by grace" but then "judged according to our works". Being Catholic doesn't help, in fact, it hinders a person from knowing and responding to the truth of the gospel. I thank Almighty God for revealing the gospel to my heart fifty years ago that salvation is not based on my works but by the grace of God through FAITH and I believed on him and still follow him to this day. Catholicism has perverted the gospel and preaches an accursed version.

503 posted on 08/24/2018 4:44:47 PM PDT by boatbums (Not by works of righteousness which we have done but according to His mercy he saved us.)
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