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Should oil companies pay for climate change? Yes, there is evidence
San Francisco Chronicle ^ | March 20, 2018 | Ann Carlson and Peter C. Frumhoff

Posted on 03/21/2018 6:04:24 PM PDT by artichokegrower

On Wednesday, a federal judge will hold a “climate science tutorial” as part of San Francisco’s and Oakland’s nuisance cases against five oil giants for damages related to sea level rise.

(Excerpt) Read more at sfchronicle.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: agw; fakescience; gerbilsswarming; globalwarming; goebbelswarming; gorebullwarming; junkscience; sanfrancisco
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To: artichokegrower

Nonsense.


41 posted on 03/21/2018 6:48:25 PM PDT by Fungi
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To: artichokegrower

Sure. Cause they won’t pass that cost on to us. Never.


42 posted on 03/21/2018 6:51:48 PM PDT by calljack (Sometimes your worst nightmare is just a start.)
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To: artichokegrower

Oil Companies should pay me to get the oil changed in my vehicles.


43 posted on 03/21/2018 6:52:16 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: artichokegrower

Should these two retarded bottomfeeders who wrote this article and ride in automobiles and airplanes also pay for “climate change”? Yes, there is evidence that they are retarded hypocrites.


44 posted on 03/21/2018 6:53:06 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (#NotARussianBot)
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To: who_would_fardels_bear
You are EXACTLY right!
California cracks down on last beachfront sand-mining operation in U.S.
San Jose Mercury News, May 16, 2017

Moving in on the last coastal sand mining operation in the United States, California regulators are ordering a Mexican-based company to obtain permits and pay state royalties for its Monterey County plant or shut down — amid a chorus of complaints that it’s causing significant erosion of beaches along Monterey Bay.

The facility, known as the CEMEX Lapis plant, has been in operation since 1906 and is located between Marina and Moss Landing. With smokestacks, conveyor belts and dredges, it produces an estimated 200,000 to 300,000 cubic yards of sand a year — enough to fill up to 30,000 dump trucks — that sells for about $4.70 a bag for a variety of uses from sand blasting to golf course sand traps to lining utility trenches.

Scientists and environmental groups, however, say the facility is causing significant erosion of beaches along Monterey Bay, from Marina south to Del Monte Beach in Monterey.

“If you take that much sand directly off the beach every year, the waves keep breaking,” said Gary Griggs, director of the Institute of Marine Sciences at UC-Santa Cruz. “The southern end of the bay is eroding at a much faster rate than it would naturally.”

Griggs, who has studied coastal erosion for more than 40 years, said that areas south of the sand plant, along the site of the former Fort Ord military base and down to the Monterey Tides Hotel in Monterey, are eroding at roughly 3 to 6 feet a year. Stilwell Hall, the former World War II-era officer’s club at Fort Ord, had to be demolished in 2003 when cliff erosion threatened to send it crashing into the ocean.

Without the sand plant, Griggs said, the coast in that area would erode by roughly 1-2 feet a year, if not less.

In decades past, there were six major sand mining plants along the shores of Monterey Bay. They used a technique called “drag lining,” in which they scraped and dragged sand with massive metal scoops from the surf line. The companies were closed by the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers between 1986 and 1990, however, after the agency enforced prohibitions on sand mining below the tide line.

The Lapis mine remained open, however, because it had shifted to a method in which it pumps sand from a lagoon on the back of the beach in an area where it owns several hundred acres. Meanwhile, last year the California Coastal Commission said it will require permits, a case that is still open, but CEMEX contends that its operations predate the 1976 Coastal Act.

They KNOW what causes shore erosion. And it ain't global warming / cooling.
45 posted on 03/21/2018 6:55:10 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: artichokegrower

Shouldn’t the taxpayers be shown “evidence” that climate change is occurring due to the oil companies and not just a scam being perpetrated against Americans by a bunch of envirowackoes in need of government grants?


46 posted on 03/21/2018 6:56:39 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (#NotARussianBot)
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To: Telepathic Intruder
The only evidence of sea level rise is where the land itself has sunk. If the sea rises, it will rise everywhere. It hasn’t.

You know that. I know that. I am sure these ass hats 🎩 will say, it’s not about the money. BS, it’s ONLY about the money.

47 posted on 03/21/2018 6:56:50 PM PDT by Mark17 (Genesis chapter 1 verse 1. In the beginning GOD....And the rest, as they say, is HIS-story)
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To: Mark17

Actually the sea level has been rising about 3mm every year since the end of the last ice age.


48 posted on 03/21/2018 6:58:14 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn)
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To: Nifster

Re: “It will be interesting to see what evidence is allowed in”.

California doesn’t adhere to its Evidence Code.

Ask any husband who has had a Restraining Order filed against them in California by an irate wife in divorce.

Ask any landlord who has also had a tenant file a restraining order on them for alleged abuse that never happened but it will cost thousands of dollars to unwind the false allegation in court.

Ask any farmer who has been hauled into some Environmental kangaroo court for incidental plowing of a man made irrigation runoff pond on their land.

This is nothing but a bald attempt to tax corporations in which all the beneficiaries will be those in the Knowledge Class who are dependent on government largesse. And the courts are part of the Knowledge Class so the corporations will not get a fair trial. California’s pension system needs mega billions of dollars infused into the system in the next four years, including the pensions of judges. So the outcome of the lawsuit is already a fait accompli.

Who will pay for this phony shake down? Everyone who lives in California not corporations.


49 posted on 03/21/2018 7:04:19 PM PDT by WayneLusvardi (It's more complex than it might seem)
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To: All

I dunno.

Should Lunatics, Lawyers and Leftists pay for the damage they have done to society and common sense? Yes, there is evidence.


50 posted on 03/21/2018 7:07:50 PM PDT by LegendHasIt
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To: Telepathic Intruder
The beaches look the same to me as they did 30 years ago.

Bingo!
I've been visiting the Jersey shore for almost fifty years and it's in the same place it always was; nobody has their beach chair in the middle of Ocean Avenue.

Facts are stubborn things

51 posted on 03/21/2018 7:09:22 PM PDT by stormhill
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To: artichokegrower

The 50 IQ commie ape Ann should be very worried about being hanged for her treacherous crimes against the American people.


52 posted on 03/21/2018 7:13:24 PM PDT by sergeantdave (Teach a man to fish and he'll steal your gear and sell it)
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To: rey

Lawyers would love this. Just think of the possibilities! Sue everybody for everything. It will never end.


53 posted on 03/21/2018 7:17:04 PM PDT by Pining_4_TX (For they sow the wind, and they shall reap the whirlwind. ~ Hosea 8:7)
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To: Telepathic Intruder

If the sea rises, it will rise everywhere. It hasn’t.


Google “the Broomway”. It is a path in England that is submerged at high tide. It’s been in use since the 1400s. Apparently the sea hasn’t risen appreciably for the last 600 years.


54 posted on 03/21/2018 7:20:37 PM PDT by hanamizu
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To: artichokegrower
"Should oil companies pay for climate change? Yes, there is evidence"

Should sanctuary cities pay citizen-victims for migrant-invader crime? Yes, there is evidence...

55 posted on 03/21/2018 7:21:41 PM PDT by SuperLuminal (Where is another agitator for republicanism like Sam Adams when we need him?)
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To: Telepathic Intruder
The beaches look the same to me as they did 30 years ago.

Yep. I lived in Florida for 32 years and every time I'd go to the beach it was always in the same damn place it was before.

56 posted on 03/21/2018 7:35:16 PM PDT by libertylover (Kurt Schlicter: "They wonder why they got Trump. They are why they got Trump")
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To: artichokegrower

The oil companies need to all get together and stop selling Oil and Gas to California. That would wake them liberals up real quick.


57 posted on 03/21/2018 7:36:04 PM PDT by Revel
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To: Telepathic Intruder

The beaches look the same to me as they did 30 years ago

30 years ago maybe, but 50 years ago, ALL SoCal Beaches were full of Tar from mass seepage in the Santa Monica Bay. Pumping the Oil out and into our Gas Tanks is what Saved California Beaches.


58 posted on 03/21/2018 7:37:19 PM PDT by eyeamok (Tolerance: The virtue of having a belief in Nothing!)
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To: artichokegrower

The oil companies are not the ones burning the fossil fuels. That is what they tell us causes climate change. The ones they need to sue are the drivers. All of them.


59 posted on 03/21/2018 8:19:02 PM PDT by Uncle Sham
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

CEMEX Lapis plant has been providing employment for blue collar workers for the last 112 years. Truck drivers service the plant. The sand goes out to the construction and sand blasting industries. Do you think Gary Griggs, director of the Institute of Marine Sciences at UC-Santa Cruz is concerned for these people and their families. No he has got his.

Gary B Griggs PROF-AY
University of California, 2016 salary $265,475.00


60 posted on 03/21/2018 8:27:25 PM PDT by artichokegrower
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