Posted on 02/24/2018 11:24:47 PM PST by familyop
“I think it is time to have a conversation about what the right to bear arms means in the modern world,” Rice told radio host Hugh Hewitt on Friday...More specifically, Rice said weapons like the AR-15...shouldn't be available to civilians, the Washington Times reported...Rather, she supports looking to law enforcement and guards as ways for protection.
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IMO, what informs her views on gun control is her view on abortion:
I’ve called myself at times mildly pro-choice. I’m kind of libertarian on this issue, and meaning by that that I have been concerned about a government role in this issue. I’m a strong proponent of parental choice, of parental notification. I’m a strong proponent of a ban on late-term abortion. These are all things that I think unite people and I think that that’s where we should be.”
“What I do think is that we should not have the federal government in a position where it is forcing its views on one side or the other. So, for instance, I’ve tended to agree with those who do not favor federal funding for abortion, because I believe that those who hold a strong moral view on the other side should not be forced to fund it.“
Just lost all respect for Condi.
SMH....
Thumbs up!
Say what you want. I bought my CAR-15 from High Standard , a company that makes both CAR-15s and AR-15s, supplying both government and civilian contracts. The reason I bought one is that ALL of their models have hardened barrels, including the civilian model. The AR -15 is the select fire model. Mine is a simple semi-automatic CAR-15 .
The AR designation makes it military.
If its a publicly available model it can’t be an AR-15, its a CAR-15. The C is for “civilian.”
No question about that either. But you know they already tried to label patriots such as Veterans as terrorists, so they’ll likely be first on the list for mental illness too.
Hey Condi, shut up and make me a ham sandwich.
“...AR-15s are not available to civilians. ...” [Candor7, post 70]
Wrong.
Lots of imprecise nomenclature here.
“AR-15” was the original ArmaLite nomenclature for a select-fire rifle in 5.56mm, designed by a team after Eugene Stoner left the company (first, he designed the AR-10 for them).
Colt’s Patent Firearms Manufacturing Company apparently bought the name rights when they acquired a license to produce the smaller arm. They stamped “AR-15” on the first semi-only clone they began turning out in the 1960s. Its official company name was SP-1.
“CAR” and “AR-15” have been applied with a great deal of sloppiness to various configurations of the basic arm, courtesy of gunwriters, self-styled experts, popular parlance, and spox for the military establishment. Most have been developmental items for military and law enforcement, and were select-fire. But no other manufacturer calls their AR-15-style rifles “AR-15.” Colt’s has also applied a great many multi-digit model numbers to variants.
No AR-15 has been equipped with the three-round burst mechanism. It was introduced into military service when the M16A2 was designated the official US rifle by DoD in the 1980s.
“...I bought my CAR-15 from High Standard , a company that makes both CAR-15s and AR-15s,.. The AR -15 is the select fire model. Mine is a simple semi-automatic CAR-15 .
The AR designation makes it military.
If its a publicly available model it can’t be an AR-15, its a CAR-15.” [Candor7, post 124]
Wrong again.
High Standard’s official website lists “AR-15 - M16 - M4” but no reference is made to CAR except in the parts section, concerning “carbine” size parts (surprising to see the mere mention of “AR-15” on the site - Colt’s trademark attorneys must be napping). Curiously, the firearms page lists an “M16A1 Kit Gun” but the detailed description indicates it’s semi only. M16A1 was official nomenclature for one of the early US-issue rifles made by Colt’s.
“CAR” was used in various ways in the late 1960s and early 1970s.
“AR” is not official DoD nomenclature. Doesn’t stand for “assault rifle,” “auto rifle,” nor “Army rifle.” It was initially used by ArmaLite to designate models: AR-4, AR-7, AR-10, AR-15, AR-16, AR-18 etc. Many claim it means “ArmaLite Rifle” but it was used to name at least one shotgun.
Actually, a remarkable number of college students AND professors support drastic changes to the first amendment, and they're the people that will be moving into government in the next few decades.
EVERY right protected under the Constitution is now, or will be soon, under coordinated attack.
Remember, Obama, supposedly a "constitutional scholar," said "The Constitution is a document of negative rights, that limits what the government can do," and he said it as if it were a bad thing!
Mark
“Rather, she supports looking to law enforcement and guards as ways for protection.”
How’d that work-out at Parkland HS, Condi?
Ms. rice needs to read the constitution.
Thank you for the illucidation. yes High Standards wen site has changed since I purchased their rifle way back in 2003 or so.
I clearly remember their description of CAR-15 as the civilian version.This was long before we had so many manufacturers of the AR-15 and its components. There were only six or seven companies that produced the entire rifle from scratch at that time, and several of those required a custom order bnack then. Now you can order components from several producers and assemble your own rifle. And the idea of a civilian version available only to the public has been somewhat lost.
I still contend that no military AR-15 has ever been made available to the public, and that in the beginning there was a clear delineation between the two in the description of the rifle, which has been left behind because of the evolution of the availability of components. The civilian version could not be called a “military rifle” or an “assault rifle” It was simply a semi auto rifle that had the appearance and feel of the military item. This allowed many military personnel to own these rifles they could have at home and use for their own purposes.And so the rifle became popular with the civilian population.
Mine still works like a top. She drives tacks at 100 yards.
I bow to your superiority of knowledge on the topic.
But I still say that no military AR-15 has ever been sold to the public.
“The AR -15 is the select fire model. Mine is a simple semi-automatic CAR-15 .
The AR designation makes it military.
If its a publicly available model it can’t be an AR-15, its a CAR-15. The C is for “civilian.” “
The only full auto rifles that LOOK like the AR-15 (and its multitude of variants) are the M-16 and its (multitude of) variants, including the M4. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M16_rifle
I hate to be a stickler for terminology, but the anti-gun people REGULARLY confuse semi-autos vs. full autos. This largely started in the late 1980s, when Josh Sugarmann (who founded the Violence Policy Center in 1988) called on anti-gunners to refer to semi-automatics as “automatics” in order to scare the public into leaning on Congress to outlaw https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2013/01/17/is-it-fair-to-call-them-assault-weapons/?utm_term=.92f140627612
Note that most people are not that familiar with firearms, and will go with whatever the (largely anti-gun) media tells them. Hence the reason for the anti-gun leadership to mislead the mass of people - they don’t care about the facts, they just want their preferred result, by any means necessary (just like ALL Leftists, including Nazis and Communists).
By the way, though I cannot find (and don’t have the extra time to look for) anything about the “CAR-15” rifle the you bought, perhaps the “C” part stands for “Compact?”
Should we restrict the 1st amendment due to the incredible change and advancements in information technology? our framers could never have contemplated the information age we now live in. Perhaps we start small, eliminating the press?
“I still contend that no military AR-15 has ever been made available to the public”
Why?
Because, except for very early on when Colt still had the patent for the AR-15 (bought from Armalite - ARmalite, get it?), NO AR-15s were full auto.
The first version of the rifle adopted by the military was the M16A1, adopted in 1964.
The AR-15 was always sold to civilians after that, always in semi-auto form.
Note that prior to May 19, 1986, it was possible for civilians to get M16 rifles (in whatever variants existed then), provided that they went through the NFA process and got the $200 tax stamp. No civilian has gotten one for individual use legally since then (though Class 3 dealers can get them with a purchase order from a police department, federal agency or the DoD - but they can NEVER transfer them to any civilian, even themselves, as their business owns the rifle).
I know that this is a complex area, made more so by the early designation (in the 1960s only) of the full auto rifle as an AR-15. But now, and for several decades, no newly-sold AR-15 has legally been a full auto rifle.
AR stands for Armalite - Period.
“AR”0 is not official DoD nomenclature. Doesn’t stand for “assault rifle,” “auto rifle,” nor “Army rifle.” It was initially used by ArmaLite to designate models: AR-4, AR-7, AR-10, AR-15, AR-16, AR-18 etc. Many claim it means “ArmaLite Rifle” but it was used to name at least one shotgun.
See 136. I know that.
And, for a grin, see 138.
Thanks for contributing to accuracy here.
I just read all of your posts.
They are spot on accurate.
Thanks for clearing that up.
CAR may stand for Carbine, shorter barrel, but that’s just a hunch.
What is critical is that we each time a member of the Media, Dims, or others confuse automatic, with semi-automatic, we correct it.
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