Damn good thing we have Maotin Luther Peking.
Posted on 01/05/2018 12:07:18 PM PST by DoodleDawg
Two South Carolina lawmakers want to erect a monument on the State House grounds to African-Americans who served the state as Confederate soldiers. But records show the state never accepted nor recognized armed African-American soldiers during the Civil War.
“In all my years of research, I can say I have seen no documentation of black South Carolina soldiers fighting for the Confederacy,” said Walter Edgar, who for 32 years was director of the University of South Carolina’s Institute for Southern Studies and is author of “South Carolina: A History.”
“In fact, when secession came, the state turned down free (blacks) who wanted to volunteer because they didn’t want armed persons of color,” he said.
Pension records gleaned from the S.C. Department of History and Archives show no black Confederate soldiers received payment for combat service. And of the more than 300 blacks who did receive pensions after they were allowed in 1923, all served as body servants or cooks, the records show.
Confederate law prohibited blacks from bearing arms in the war, records show, until that edict was repealed in 1865 at the very end of the conflict.
That repeal resulted in a handful of African-American units in states such as Virginia and Texas. But there were none in South Carolina, which prohibited African-Americans from carrying guns in the state’s service throughout the war for fear of insurrection, according to the archives.
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You said Fredrick Douglass was wrong to say blacks fought with CSA
Just own it and squirm in it
Hell call X or Mac for a lifeline...
I’m just playing don’t drown on me
I did. I said it was an exaggeration. He was obviously talking to a Northern audience. How could he be talking about something that didn't exist?
In addition he had a point that he wanted to prove.
. . . and hundreds of pension records.
Yes, you are welcome to offer proof.
But were those pensions granted for being a loyal and faithful teamster or cook. Or were they granted for standing in the ranks, tearing cartridges and drawing ramrods for 13 dollars a month and rations.
“. . .Americans from carrying guns in the state’s service throughout the war for fear of insurrection”
Now you understand why the liberals are so united against the 2nd Amendment.
Damn good thing we have Maotin Luther Peking.
The inconvenient truth is that maybe some blacks served in the Confederate Army. Not companies, or battalions. Just like in the Union Army a few women served in the ranks as soldier.
Cherokees fought for the Confederacy. That would be a cool monument.
1984
That is fascinating.
I wonder what they call the people who are clerks, quarter masters, grooms and so forth. Not soldiers either?
‘Lincoln created the Federal Monster that plagues us today.’
of course, of course...Wilson and the two Roosevelts had zip to do with it...
sorry, didn’t see your post #60...
Do not equate our modern army with those of the Civil War
Forest was probably the earliest post-war civil rights advocate. Do a quick search for his speech to the Pole Bearers. It can bring one to tears.
Getting a little overwrought, aincha??
‘Had the South remained in the Union, Slavery would have persisted into the 20th century.’
slight correction; had the South not attempted to extend slavery to the western territories, it might have persisted into the 20th century...
‘Lincoln repeatedly tried to bribe the south into staying by offering them assurances that slavery would be protected.’
I take it you’re referring to the Corwin Amendment, the so-called 13th Amendment; you know, I’m certain, that presidents have no formal role in amendment processes; Buchanan superfluously signed the amendment as his parting shot...asserting that Lincoln introduced this as a bribe is a patent lie; so inform us of the other times he ‘repeatedly’ attempted to do this...
With the 11 states that became the confederacy, it would require a Union of 44 states to override their opposition. (Not possible until 1896.)
1896, huh...? I’m also sure you know the Amendment formally abolishing slavery was ratified in 1865, by 27 states, including 6 of those 11 seceding states...and btw, how do you arrive at the number of 44 needed Union states...?
Sorry but even if you were a cook you were consider a soldier.
That is born out by the fact that they got pensions.
Teamsters who were independent contractors did not get pensions.
In the confederate army, slaves were employed as teamsters, furriers, blacksmiths, cooks, etc. They were not soldiers, they were slaves. The fact that some former Confederate states decided to pay some of these people pensions 30 years after the fact does not make them soldiers in the Confederate Army.
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