Posted on 12/31/2017 7:23:49 AM PST by SeekAndFind
Taking Social Security benefits before you reach full retirement age may not be in your best interest.
Well cover Social Security benefit eligibility and factors to consider when deciding when to take Social Security.
The strategies for maximizing benefits can get complextalk to your financial planner or tax professional if needed.
When you start receiving full Social Security retirement benefits is a key question for your retirement plans. The first thing to understand is that the concept of full retirement age is a moving target that depends on your birth year (see table below).
You can elect to take benefits as early as age 62 (or earlier if you are a survivor of another Social Security claimant or on disability), or wait until as late as age 70. Theres no correct claiming age for everybody. But, if you can afford to wait, starting Social Security later than age 62 can pay off over a long retirement.
Here well take a look at some of the rules and guidelines.
Full retirement age (also known as normal retirement age) is when youre eligible to receive full Social Security benefits. The full retirement age used to be 65 for everyone. That has changed.
Under current law, if you were born in 1951 or later, your full retirement age is now some point after age 65all the way up to age 67 for those born after 1959. If you were born before 1951, youve already reached age 66 and full retirement age.
Retirement ages for full Social Security benefits
If you were born in ... | Your full retirement age is ... |
1950 or earlier | Youve already hit full retirement age |
1951-1954 | 66 |
1955 | 66 and 2 months |
1956 | 66 and 4 months |
1957 | 66 and 6 months |
1958 | 66 and 8 months |
1959 | 66 and 10 months |
1960 or later | 67 |
Source: ssa.gov.
If you choose to start receiving your Social Security check up to 36 months before your full retirement age, be aware that your benefit is permanently reduced by five-ninths of 1% for each month. If you start more than 36 months before your full retirement age, the benefit is further reduced by five-twelfths of 1% per month, for the rest of retirement.
For example, if your full retirement age is 66 and you elect to start benefits at age 62, the reduced benefit calculation is based on 48 months. This means that the reduction for the first 36 months is 20% (five-ninths of 1% times 36) and 5% (five-twelfths of 1% times 12) for the remaining 12 months. Overall, your benefits would be permanently reduced by 25%.
Source: ssa.gov
If you retire sometime between your full retirement age and age 70, you typically get a credit. For example, say you were born in 1951 and your full retirement age is 66. If you started your benefits at age 68, you would receive a credit of 8% per year multiplied by two (the number of years you waited). This makes your benefit 16% higher than the amount you would have received at age 66.
That higher baseline lasts for the rest of your retirement, and serves as the basis for future increases linked to inflation. While its important to consider your personal circumstancesits not always possible to wait, particularly if you are in poor health or cant afford to delaythe benefits of waiting can be significant.
Source: ssa.gov.
To review your situation, your annual Social Security statement will list your projected benefits at age 62, full retirement age, and age 70. If you need a copy of your annual statement, you can request one from the Social Security Administration (SSA).
Consider the following factors as you decide when to take Social Security.
1. Your cash needs. If youre contemplating early retirement and you have sufficient resources (adequate investments, a traditional pension, other sources of income), you can be flexible about when to take Social Security benefits. However, if youll need your Social Security benefits to make ends meet, you may have fewer options. If possible, you may want to consider postponing retirement or work part-time until you reach your full retirement ageor even longer so that you can maximize your benefits.
2. Your life expectancy and break-even age. Taking Social Security early reduces your benefits, but youll also receive monthly checks for a longer time. On the other hand, taking Social Security later results in fewer checks during your lifetime, but the credit for waiting means each check will be larger.
At what age will you break even and begin to come out ahead if you delay Social Security? The break-even age depends on the amount of your benefits and the assumptions you use to account for taxes and the opportunity cost of waiting (investment returns you could have made, inflation, etc.).
The SSA has several handy calculators you can use to estimate your own benefits. For example, if youre a top wage earner turning 62 this year, then your break-even ages are as follows:
Monthly Social Security benefits |
Retirement age |
Break-even age |
---|---|---|
$2,102 |
62 vs. 66 |
Between 77 and 78 |
$2,806 |
62 vs. 70 |
Between 80 and 81 |
$3,721 |
66 vs. 70 |
Between 82 and 83 |
In this example, if you wait until age 66 to take Social Security instead of taking it at age 62, youll come out ahead as long as you live to at least age 77-78. The break-even age goes up the longer you wait. See the graph below for an illustration of sample break-even points.
Source: Estimates based on data from ssa.gov, shown in todays dollars, using SSAs Quick Calculator as of 10/31/2017 for a person born 5/1/1954, with earned income equal to or greater than the maximum Social Security wage base. The SAA calculator and table above does not include a cost of living adjustment. The chart above includes 2% annual cost of living adjustment to include that in the break-even calculation. Time value of money is not considered in the example.
Theoretically, it shouldnt matter when you start to receive your checks, provided you have an average life expectancy. However, if you think youll beat the average life expectancy, then waiting for a larger monthly check might be a good deal. On the other hand, if youre in poor health or have reason to believe you wont beat the average life expectancy, you might decide to take what you can while you can.
While it may be tempting to look only at your break-even point and think about Social Security as a math equation or an investment decision, another approach may be to think about Social Security as a form of insurance.
Unlike conventional investments, Social Security isnt affected by stock market changes, provides protection against inflation and is designed to pay out no matter how long you live. Social Security also provides guaranteed, inflation-adjusted incomewhich can be expensive and difficult to replicate with investments.
Remember, though, that the average is just thatan average. If you have a shorter life expectancy than average, then early withdrawals might be a better option for you. If you dont, starting Social Security later can be particularly beneficial if you live longer than average.
3. Your spouse. If you have a spouse covered by Social Security, you can explore additional strategies to maximize the benefits you receive between you. Start by taking your spouses age, health, and benefits into account, particularly if youre the higher-earning spouse. The amount of survivor benefits for a lower-earning spouse could depend on the deceased, higher-earning spouses benefitthe bigger the higher-earning spouses benefit, the bigger the benefit for the surviving spouse.
For spouses with equivalent work histories and life expectancy, it may make sense for both of them to delay their benefits up to age 70, if possible. In other cases, especially when there are material differences in work history, it might make sense for the lower-earning spouse to file earlier while the higher earner waits until age 70. This is called a 62/70 split strategy.
62/70 split strategy
With this strategy, the lower earner files early at age 62 (or at full retirement age) based on his or her own benefit. The higher earner later files at age 70.
When a lower-earning spouse files for benefits at age 62, the benefits are reduced based on the number of months before full retirement age.
Even though an early-filing penalty would still apply to any benefits the lower-earning spouse received before full retirement age (whether theyre calculated based on that spouses own earnings record or the higher-earning spouses record), in the event of the spouses death, the surviving spouse would be entitled to their own, or their spouses benefit, whichever is higher. In the meantime, the lower earner can still collect something while the higher earner waits until age 70 for their maximum benefit.
In the past, couples were allowed to use a strategy called file and suspend, under which the higher-earning spouse would file and suspend their benefit at full retirement age, and then wait until age 70 to start collecting, so their partner could claim a spousal benefit. However, that strategy is no longer permitted.
In addition, unless you turned 62 before Jan. 1, 2016, you can no longer file a restricted application to claim a spousal benefit. If you are grandfathered into this option, however, you can still consider it. Heres how it works: At full retirement age the lower earner could file for his or her own benefit, while the higher earner would file a restricted application for spousal benefits. The higher earner would then wait until age 70 to switch to his or her own benefit, at which time the lower earner would switch to a spousal benefit, if higher than their own.
The process of trying to optimize your Social Security benefits over a joint lifespan can be complex. Talk with an advisor (such as a Schwab Financial Consultant) to provide an assessment and help with options.
4. Whether youre still working. Earning a wage (or even self-employment income) can reduce your benefit temporarily if you take Social Security early. If youre still working and you havent reached your full retirement age, $1 in benefits will be deducted for every $2 you earn above the annual limit ($16,920 in 2017).
The reduction falls to $1 in benefits deducted for every $3 you earn above a higher limit ($44,880 in 2017), deducted only for income earned before the month you reach your full retirement age in the year you reach your full retirement age. Starting the month you hit your full retirement age, your benefits are no longer reduced no matter how much you earn.
Again, any reduction in benefits due to the earnings test is only temporary. You receive the money back in the form of a higher benefit at full retirement age, so dont use the reduction as the sole reason to cut back on working or worrying about earning too much.
Keep in mind that Social Security benefits may be taxable, depending on your modified adjusted gross income (MAGI), also known as provisional income. Your provisional income is equal to your adjusted gross income (AGI), plus non-taxable interest payments (e.g. interest payments on tax-exempt municipal bonds), plus half of your Social Security benefit. As your MAGI increases above a certain threshold (from earning a paycheck, for instance), more of your benefit is subject to income tax, up to a maximum of 85%. For help, talk with a CPA or tax professional.
In any case, if youre still working, you may want to postpone Social Security either until you reach your full retirement age or until your earned income is less than the annual limit. In no situation should you postpone benefits past age 70.
For more information, see the SSA publication How Work Affects Your Benefits, and IRS Publication 915: Social Security and Equivalent Railroad Retirement Benefits.
If you previously elected to receive early Social Security benefits at a reduced rate, but then change your mind, you have the option of paying back to the government what youve already received. After, you could restart benefits later to take advantage of a higher payout. But you can only do this for one years worth of benefits.
For example, lets say you elected to receive early benefits at age 62, but then decided to go back to work at age 63. You could stop receiving Social Security, pay back the years worth of benefits you received, go back to work, and then wait until a later age to restart your benefit checks at a higher level.
For important details about repaying benefits please read the SSA publication If You Change Your Mind.
Are you skeptical about the future of Social Security or wary of potential changes such as means testingwhich could reduce or eliminate benefits for the wealthyor an increase in the full retirement age? If so, you may be tempted to start benefits early, under the assumption that its better to have a bird in the hand than nothing.
The 2017 annual report from the Social Security Trustees projects that the Social Security Trust Fund has enough resources to cover all promised retirement benefits until 2035 without changing the current system. Over the longer term, changes such as later benefit dates or means testing (a reduction in benefits based on your other income sources) may be considered.
In any situation, if youre particularly concerned about the future prospects for Social Security, thats a good reason to save more, earlier, for your retirement.
Consider taking benefits earlier if | Consider waiting to take benefits if |
You are no longer working and cant make ends meet without your benefits. | You are still working and make enough to impact the taxability of your benefits. (At least wait until your normal retirement age so benefits arent further reduced due to earnings.) |
You are in poor health and dont expect to make it to average life expectancy. | You are in good health and expect to exceed average life expectancy. |
You are the lower-earning spouse and your higher-earning spouse can wait to file for a higher benefit. | You are the higher-earning spouse and want to be sure your surviving spouse receives the highest possible benefit. |
If you have a choice and are in good health, think seriously about waiting as long as you can to take your benefits (but no later than age 70). For retirees in good health, a long retirement, coupled with uncertainty about markets and inflation, are the biggest risks. Delaying Social Security, if you can, is effectively an insurance policy against those challenges.
Your situation may differ, however, and there are many factors to consider. Get help from your financial planner if you need it.
1Source: OASDI (Old Age, Survivors and Disability Insurance) Monthly Statistics.
What is an "sr" salesperson?
And have they really had the No. 1 spot in "job-likeability" or "job-security" in nine of the past ten quarters?
It seems to me that a civil servant would probably have the highest job-security (he didn't specify "in the private sector").
Regards,
Consequences?
I’m not taking unlawful benefits for myself.
I also consider retirement as a concept to be foolish. It’s fine if someone can meet all their own needs and they are okay with shouldering all their own needs, but it’s a bad idea to expect retirement.
Families should take care of their own. Congregations should take care of those who have no one and cannot take care of themselves. People have the right to ask other persons for help (voluntarily given from their own means).
It isn’t the federal government’s enumerated power to be concerned if I starve while living in a box under a bridge.
It’s time to start preparing myself for this eventuality. I’m going to hold off as long as I can.
For practical purposes I kissed that money goodbye long ago however, I think my loving wife will be able to use it after my death (her family genetics lean towards longevity), so in preparation, articles such as this are very helpful. I’ve recently downloaded a social security for dummies book and I’m going to start educating myself a little bit more than I currently am on Social Security.
My sister-in-law came over a week or so ago and was talking about social security and what she’s doing and I understood about one-third what she was talking about. So that’s my realization point - that it’s time to start figuring it out.
The shame of it all is having to figure it out and possibly miss something. Some folks cant afford to miss anything yet the burden of “discovery” is on them... you would think that things like this and taxes would be simplified to the point where you don’t really have to spend a lot of time educating yourself so you won’t get ripped off the second time around.
It's like an insurance policy. Ask your auto or homeowners insurance company for a refund if you've had no accidents or your house suffered no damage.
I took mine at age 62, and I filed for it exactly 3months before my 62nd birthday so I would get paid when I turned 62. I figured I had 4 extra years of payments by taking 85% of what I was entitled to. Im 63 1/2 now and we have been enjoying the extra income. Since my husband is nearly 7 years older than me and a cancer survivor with a quadruple bypass, I will probably outlive him, and will collect his SS as his survivor because its larger than what I collect anyway.
I feel the same way, and am hence taking only the lawful benefits, as specified by the Social Security Administration. I would wager that no one here at Free Republic would ever advocate taking anything but their lawful benefits.
But I suspect that you attach some unusual meaning to the word "lawful." Would you please elucidate?
Regards,
I heard the 18 month death after retirement story at Generous (not) Electric in 1988. I was working 56 hour weeks then at a high stress job. I quit shortly after, killing my self for the company for what?
“Take the money! Anyone who Waits for 8 years without an ironclad guarantee from God that theyre going to live to make up what they will have lost if they died the day before the 70th birthday is nuts.
Even if you dont need the money take it and invested the stock market historically goes up two days out of every three and the average return is 8%. No one with a brain ever refuses money unless it is a critical tax situation which in most cases this would not be since most States and the government exempt social security income at least partially.”
I agree 100 %. Both my wife and I took it at 62 and now 15 years later are just approaching break even point. Mother in
Law adamantly refused to take it until full retirement age. Said she didnt need it. Begged her to take it and build portfolio. No dice. Died at 73. She was screwed as were heirs.
I had a job related heart attack at age 52. I was peace officer and got a nice medical retirement with only 10% taxable. I took my SS at 62. I had enough credits from before I was in the peace officer system.
I had a 5-way by-pass in 2002 and didn’t expect to I’ve past 65. Now I’m 71. But I don’t regret taking the lower amount earlier. My wife is 61 and she will probably wait.
“No dice. Died at 73. She was screwed as were heirs.”
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Since when do people making financial decisions that seem best for their needs have to worry about their heirs?
It was her decision and her money.
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Yeah, and in 1967, I overheard two strangers in a NY subway who claimed that...
Read the article at the link below:
http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-18952037
This belief appears to be based largely upon fallacious thinking.
For instance: Did you know that the majority people who drink a bottle of whiskey a day all the way up to their 90th birthday live to be over 90? Obviously, drinking a bottle a day increases your life expectancy!
Regards,
This is mentioned in the article, but only briefly, and is the main reason one should consider waiting as long as possible to take SS.
It’s about the only inflation-protected income stream available that isn’t affected by market forces.
If you take, say, $2000 a month at age 62, and inflation is 6% that year, the next year your SS payment will be raised approx. 6%, to $2,120.
But if you wait until age 70, your SS payment will be $3,500 even if there’s no inflation during that eight years. However, if inflation averages 5% between age 62 and 66, your payout will go up accordingly. (I’m not certain how it’s handled from 62 to 70, however.) The result will be around a $4200 monthly payment.
Even at $3500, if you now get a six percent inflation rate, your next year’s monthly check will rise to $3,710, an increase of $210 instead of $120. And at $4200, your monthly payout would rise to $4450, an increase of $250.
So, besides getting a significantly larger monthly payout that doesn’t depend on how your IRA performs, it will increase by inflation each year, something your IRA doesn’t always do either.
People seem to equate retiring with needing to take SS. If you can’t live without SS payments coming in, all the more reason that you should consider working longer because you will build in better protection against inflation in your later years.
Well we do what we can. No one can plan for an
unexpected layoff health crisis or family issue or how
other family members will help. Life isnt always fair.
My wife had a wonderful professional job and career as did I
she went on maternity leave and never returned after
full time mother role because our child ended up low end
Of ability autistic . A conservative estimate is 450K in
lost after tax wages over 18 years. She is still 7+ years away
from collecting.
My 70yo sister who has struggled with mental and other health issues
was given a life estate to compensate for other considerations given
to siblings and while she made it to full retirement until the recent death of another sibling refused to move out of a modest home she didnt need that has 3 owners left (2 died) now worth at least 900K and maybe more. 2 brothers were both laid off for 1.5 yrs in the crisis that
emerged after (D) took Congress in 06 and could have used the $
But between SS, SSI, a small pension, small 401k Whole life
annuity and downsizing / moving out of blue state suburban Home
now worth 600K we wont starve. Others dont have it that good
Senior ie experienced/older
Someone who can close a deal and not
just for short term gains but keeping clients
Long Term
“It was her decision and her money.”
Of course it was. I was just pointing out some of the practical effects of these decisions. If you don’t give a shit about your kids or anyone else..especially if “you don’t need it”...then that greatly simplifies things. My mother in law was not that way in any respect but just didn’t see the ramifications.
SS was originally meant to be a stopgap to keep people from becoming destitute - not to provide a comfortable retirement. Then it grew. And grew. And so did the SS taxes.
Well, they’ve basically figured out a way to get it back to where it started despite the protestations about SS ‘going insolvent’, haven’t they?
I’m talking about the $1 deduction for every $2 you earn over a certain amount - meaning that if you’d like to use your SS to help supplement your older years, you need to stop working, basically.
Lovely. I’ve put more $$$ into it than I’ll ever see, and then I’ll have to retire completely (ie not work) to see SOME of it come back.
But if you don’t have enough saved to comfortably retire (yet), then you have to keep working - and not take your SS.
The angles on this scam keep getting more interesting ...
Bookmark as well.
But, if I am earning 85,000.00 to 115,000.00 per year working only 1600 hours per year (many weeks I’m working 80+ hours per week), then why should I retire at 62 just to get 1000/month more in SS money? Makes more sense to earn 10,000.00 per month as long as practical. And travel between jobs now.
Two of my closest Childhood Friends died before reaching the age of 62.
Both had worked their entire lives and each probably “invested” over $250,000 into SS and Medicare throughout their lives.
They got nothing. One of them was Married and his Wife got $255 to help pay for the Flowers at his Funeral.
Her SS Check got a slight bump as the surviving Spouse of about $100 a Month since she earned close to what her Late Husband earned.
I made the decision to take my Benefit at 62 since I was diagnosed with Leukemia in my early 50’s. Made that decision easy since the odds are I won’t make the “break even” point.
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