Posted on 12/10/2017 7:10:13 AM PST by JP1201
If you have the stomach for it, I want you to watch one of the most outrageous and infuriating videos I’ve ever seen. It shows the police shooting of Daniel Shaver in Mesa, Arizona. He was crawling on his hands and knees, crying, and begging police not to shoot him. An officer shot him anyway:
The Washington Post’s account is decent, but you have to watch the video truly grasp the strangeness of the requests:
In fact, the Post actually sugarcoats the encounter. At one point an officer tells him “do not put your hands down for any reason,” even saying, “If you think you’re going to fall, you better fall on your face.” Then he says, “Crawl towards me.” How he can crawl without putting his hands down, I don’t know. As the sobbing man crawls, he reaches back towards his pants (perhaps to pull them up) and is immediately shot dead. He had no weapon. He had done nothing wrong. And now he’s dead.
Essentially, what the police told an innocent, law-abiding, intoxicated American was this: Follow my highly-specific, very strange instructions or die. There was no need to make him crawl. The police were in command of the situation. At no point is there a visible weapon. I have seen soldiers deal with al Qaeda terrorists with more professionalism and poise. When a man is prone, his hands are visible, and your gun is trained upon him, he is in your power. At trial, the officer testified that he though the suspect was reaching for his gun, and that if he had a chance to do things over, he’d make the same decision again. In other words, he presented the classic defense. He was afraid, so he fired.
(Excerpt) Read more at nationalreview.com ...
> The jury can not prove the cop wrong and took his word for it. <
You’re right about that. But let’s assume that the cop really was in fear for his life. Should that be enough for an acquittal?
Let’s suppose I am taking my daily walk on the side of a country road. I have a permit, and I am carrying. A speeding car comes barreling down the road. And it’s weaving a bit. I am legitimately in fear for my life. That car could hit me.
Do I have a right to shoot at that car? I think not.
I guess what I’m trying to say is this. There are levels of fear. A guy has a gun and he’s raising it towards you. Yep, you should be in great fear for your life. Shoot if you must. A guy reaches for his waistband. No gun is seen. You could still be in fear for your life. But that fear is not at a shooting level, IMO.
There is an us and them mentality. Us being the police fraternity and them being everyone else. Everyone else is treated as the lowest common denominator...scum. The good, bad and ugly all treated in the same faux macho gruff manner. Zero human skills. All the fault of the political structure which is responsible for recruiting, selecting, training and inculcating desired traits. FAIL.
I remember the good old days growing up on south side of Chicago which might as well have been Dublin. As kids we were scared shitless of the officer Paddy O’briens standing on the corner twiring their billy clubs. But they were always smiling, cheerful and helpful...as long as you didnt cross them. The last thing in the world they would do though is shoot someone like they do these days. More like British bobbies.
He WAS charged, tried and acquitted by a jury that was forbidden to see all the evidence.
Guilty as sin, free as a bird, what a country!
He needed to be given ANY sentence, and terminated. He should never wear a blue uniform again.
That was the defendants entire defense.
Never? I understand North Korea is hiring...
If this cop was so in fear of his life he should have called in backup. He should have ordered the suspect to lie down on his belly will all arms and legs splayed out and not to move. There were other police on the scene. They all should have converged on this drunken suspect and taken care of arresting him.
They could have easily cuffed and searched him while he was proned out on the floor. The officers instructions were beyond ridiculous.
So, to cut through the defensive blather, you believe the dead man was stupid for not following garbled orders. That’s the long and the short of it. You’re actually not all that intelligent. I detect the mind of a bureaucrat, lengthy sentences hidebound with rules and you’re quite proud of them, completely unaware of the very basic truth that you just cannot grasp.
Might have a lot to do with it if this cop liked to run around on his off time in the desert playing "operator" and was just itching to try his AR out on a live target.
” They are simply armed government road pirates who’s job it is to stop people and extract money from them at gun point which politicians spend on pet projects designed to get them re-elected”
Just like the Federales in Mexico. A badge, a gun, a car and gas, free bullets and off they go to “earn a living.”
“The curious thing surrounding this story is its lack of prominence in the news cycle. Shaver was murdered...”
Because he’s white.
Does not fit the narrative.
unfortunately this officer was acquitted of 2nd degree murder. The jury had the opportunity to downgrade the conviction to manslaughter. The jury declined to do so. This goes to the pro law enforcement jury instructions given by the Judge. Also evidence that conveyed the officers state of mind were not given to the jury. That evidence was the dust cover on his AR15 had the words “fuck you” embossed on it.
Equally troubling was that in the immediate aftermath of the shooting the leadership of the Mesa P.D. cleared the officers declaring it a “good shoot”.
A civil suite is all that is left.
The sooner you get over your cop worship the better. Cops are agents of the State, not protectors of citizens. Surely by now you have noticed that The State is not here to serve and protect anyone except the institutions of power.
Then the judges instructions to the jury are a lie. And are there to counteract proper justice.
Whatever happened to that Somali cop in Minneapolis who killed an Australian white woman for no good reason?
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Minneapolis police brace for backlash on decision over officer in Justine Damond shooting— whatever it is
Police chief expects heated reaction whether or not officer Mohamed Noor is charged in her fatal shooting.
By Brandon Stahl Star Tribune
December 9, 2017 — 8:13pm
http://www.startribune.com/police-brace-for-backlash-on-noor-decision-whatever-s-decided/463073423/
Develop a better one if you can.
Such a sparkling example of erudition. Have you ever been published?
This cop did nothing to deescalate the situation. It was him and five others armed with rifles, yet he acted like the obviously terrified man on his hands and knees, crying, begging for his life was some kind of major threat to everyone around him.
Officer Tacticool was looking for a reason to pull the trigger on his personal rifle, and he found one.
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