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This is a remarkably stupid article about Manson shortly after his death.

Charles Manson recruited his family from the Haight Ashbury hippies and other young people.

Manson wanted to get into the entertainment business and provided woman to many in an attempt to launch his career.

He spoke of revolution and the pigs as justification for his actions.

He was admired by SDS and weatherman types like Bill Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn.

1 posted on 11/22/2017 9:40:30 AM PST by detective
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He wasn’t a product of it. He used it.


2 posted on 11/22/2017 9:42:44 AM PST by robroys woman (So you're not confused, I'm male.)
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Charles Manson Was Not a Product of the Counterculture

Of course not, NYT! He was the left's mainstream normal!

Good heavens! The NYT is getting worser and worser!

3 posted on 11/22/2017 9:43:17 AM PST by Road Warrior ‘04 (Molon Labe! (Oathkeeper))
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Why was this published? This vague opinion piece is designed and published in order to establish part of a foundation that will associate moral / religious relativist left wing communist extremist killers (Manson, Stalin, Lenin, Mao, mass shooters, jihadists, etc.) not with self-proclaimed relativist left wing communist extremists, but with us.




8 posted on 11/22/2017 9:47:46 AM PST by golux
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The counterculture was the product of Critical Theory, hatched by the Frankfort school.

Critical Theory teaches to question all tradition, especially moral tradition, and turn it upside down.

Charles Manson and his gang followed Critical Theory exactly as its originators intended.


9 posted on 11/22/2017 9:48:36 AM PST by reasonisfaith ("...because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved." (2 Thessalonians))
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More NYT spook whitewashing.


10 posted on 11/22/2017 9:50:28 AM PST by proust (Since a politician never believes what he says, he is quite surprised to be taken at his word.)
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Manson was a shrewd demon he knew exactly what type of person to recruit. The counter-culture spawned those persons and made them vulnerable to the madness of Manson.


11 posted on 11/22/2017 9:51:33 AM PST by lastchance (Credo.)
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Manson was really a nice guy. It’s those conservative Christians who cause all the trouble. That’s what the NY Slimes has been telling us for many years.

Cut down the Christmas trees and kill the Christians, and everything will be OK.


13 posted on 11/22/2017 9:53:04 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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"Charles Manson Was Not a Product of the Counterculture"

If the New York Times says it then you know that Charles Manson WAS a Product of the Counterculture

14 posted on 11/22/2017 9:54:52 AM PST by Mr. K (NO CONSEQUENCE OF OBAMACARE REPEAL IS WORSE THAN OBAMACARE ITSELF)
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Not a real Scotsman fallacy


15 posted on 11/22/2017 9:56:44 AM PST by Skywise
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Didn’t Bernardine Dohrn praise the killings? I seem to remember reading that, that right after the killings she said something to the effect of “After they killed those pigs with a fork they ate, wild cool!”


16 posted on 11/22/2017 9:56:52 AM PST by GrandJediMasterYoda (Trump: Greatest POTUS of all time solely for preventing Satan from taking office.)
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Last night, subbing for Hannity, Mark Steyn read a tribute to Manson that was written by Bernardine Dohrn, wife of Obama pal, Bill Ayers. Despite the NYT revisionism, Manson WAS a figure of the 60s counterculture.


17 posted on 11/22/2017 9:57:04 AM PST by Steve_Seattle
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The NYT scurries to move the historical goalposts. If there is one thing that characterizes the Left is their lying.


18 posted on 11/22/2017 9:57:16 AM PST by bkopto
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The author writes in another article that he decided to try micro-doses of LSD on a program to increase his productivity and intelligence.

Nuff Said


21 posted on 11/22/2017 9:59:37 AM PST by KC Burke (If all the world is a stage, I would like to request my lighting be adjusted.)
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He may have been admired by Bill Ayers (first I’ve heard of that) but he had a lot more in common with modern white supremacists.

“Where does the garbage go, as we have tin cans and garbage alongside the road, and oil slicks in your water, so you have people, and I am one of your garbage people. I am one of your motorcycle people. I am one of what you want to call hippies. I never thought about being a hippie. I don’t know what a hippie is.”

“Hippie cult leader; actually, hippie cult leader, that is your words. I am a dumb country boy who never grew up. I went to jail when I was eight years old and I got out when I was thirty-two. I have never adjusted to your free world. I am still that stupid, corn-picking country boy that I always have been.”

“Whatever you do is up to you and it’s the same thing with ,anyone in my family. and anybody in my family is a white human being, because my family is of the white family. There is the black family, a yellow family, the red family, a cow family and a mule family. There is all kinds of different families.

“We have to find ourselves first, God second, and kind, k-i-n-d, come next. And that is all I was doing.”


22 posted on 11/22/2017 10:00:01 AM PST by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either satire or opinion. Or both.)
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Give his body to wild pigs to eat, No burial for that sorry f*****!!!!!


23 posted on 11/22/2017 10:01:44 AM PST by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country)
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The NYT can lie all it wants to, but I was there, and the 60s left was as much about violence and revolution as it was about “peace and love.” “Off the pig” (i.e., kill police), and “political power comes out of the barrel of a gun” were two of the most popular phrases.


25 posted on 11/22/2017 10:03:44 AM PST by Steve_Seattle
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“Charles Manson recruited his family from the Haight Ashbury hippies and other young people.”

I’m pretty sure these folks were all SoCal denizens.

“He was admired by SDS and weatherman types like Bill Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn.”

Can you cite a reference for that? You know, in the interest of accuracy?


26 posted on 11/22/2017 10:05:22 AM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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Manson was a con man. One of the questions that needs to be asked was where he learned the brainwashing techniques he used. They aren’t something normal people pick up on or use. He had training. There was an undercurrent of occult or satanism that ran deep in the circles he ran with. Called the “Process Church” and Anton LeVay’s Church of Satan and other phony balogna plastic bananna good time rock and roll BS that was so prevalent at the time.

One of the followers testified that lots of drugs were used to break down their will to resist. While LSD is some bad, bad stuff, he also mentioned Belladonna, though I suspect he was actually referring to Jimson Weed, or Datura - a pretty flower that I believe probably grows wild in the area of Spahn Ranch. This might explain part of it as well. One of the things he did was forced group sex - homosexual and otherwise. Whatever morals and boundaries one had been raised with, these had to be broken. While everyone dosing on hallucinogenics, they would mock “crucify” Charlie - who would claim to be Jesus, or the Devil, or whatever the situation required. “I’m the Son of Man!” (Man-son.. get it?)

Devil worship and crazy hippies, what could possibly go wrong?


30 posted on 11/22/2017 10:16:27 AM PST by Freedom4US
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I was to a certain part, involved in the era. I did stuff I wasn’t proud of. I did stuff I was proud of.

Anyway the Manson Family definitely evolved from the 60s counterculture. As did the weather underground @$$holes as you stated so well.

Vietnam caused the counterculture movement as the communists used it to cause it to form. And it wasn’t the war so much as our lack of resolve to finish it and win...and It was LBJ and the congress that decided not to fight it to win.

Those who would be drafted saw a non-win war and decided it wasn’t to die for.


31 posted on 11/22/2017 10:19:18 AM PST by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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I’m sure the John Birch Society would have welcomed him! According to this idiot writer at the NYT


34 posted on 11/22/2017 10:27:03 AM PST by nobamanomore
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