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Charles Manson Was Not a Product of the Counterculture
The New York Times ^ | NOV. 20, 2017 | BAYNARD WOODS

Posted on 11/22/2017 9:40:30 AM PST by detective

The Manson murders — the seven killings committed by Charles Manson’s followers in two days in Los Angeles in August 1969 — are often thought to mark the end of the 1960s, as if those brutal slayings were the inevitable outgrowth of the counterculture, the dark consequence of long hair, free love, casual drug use and a general breakdown of authority and social norms.

This sentiment was most famously expressed by Joan Didion in her book “The White Album.” She wrote that “in a sense” it was true that “the Sixties ended abruptly on August 9, 1969, ended at the exact moment when word of the murders on Cielo Drive traveled like brush fire through the community.”

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; US: California
KEYWORDS: charliemanson; counterculture; fake; fakenews; manson; nyt
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This is a remarkably stupid article about Manson shortly after his death.

Charles Manson recruited his family from the Haight Ashbury hippies and other young people.

Manson wanted to get into the entertainment business and provided woman to many in an attempt to launch his career.

He spoke of revolution and the pigs as justification for his actions.

He was admired by SDS and weatherman types like Bill Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn.

1 posted on 11/22/2017 9:40:30 AM PST by detective
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To: detective

He wasn’t a product of it. He used it.


2 posted on 11/22/2017 9:42:44 AM PST by robroys woman (So you're not confused, I'm male.)
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To: detective
Charles Manson Was Not a Product of the Counterculture

Of course not, NYT! He was the left's mainstream normal!

Good heavens! The NYT is getting worser and worser!

3 posted on 11/22/2017 9:43:17 AM PST by Road Warrior ‘04 (Molon Labe! (Oathkeeper))
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To: robroys woman
Consider the news source :" The New York SLIMES "

4 posted on 11/22/2017 9:44:10 AM PST by Tilted Irish Kilt
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To: robroys woman

He took to it like a fish to water.

The “counterculture” was a petri dish where con men, sexual predators, cult leaders and assorted opportunists thrived.


6 posted on 11/22/2017 9:46:52 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (Psephomancers for Hillary!)
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To: Tilted Irish Kilt

AKA America’s Premiere Fake Newspaper.


7 posted on 11/22/2017 9:47:06 AM PST by jospehm20
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To: detective




Why was this published? This vague opinion piece is designed and published in order to establish part of a foundation that will associate moral / religious relativist left wing communist extremist killers (Manson, Stalin, Lenin, Mao, mass shooters, jihadists, etc.) not with self-proclaimed relativist left wing communist extremists, but with us.




8 posted on 11/22/2017 9:47:46 AM PST by golux
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The counterculture was the product of Critical Theory, hatched by the Frankfort school.

Critical Theory teaches to question all tradition, especially moral tradition, and turn it upside down.

Charles Manson and his gang followed Critical Theory exactly as its originators intended.


9 posted on 11/22/2017 9:48:36 AM PST by reasonisfaith ("...because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved." (2 Thessalonians))
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More NYT spook whitewashing.


10 posted on 11/22/2017 9:50:28 AM PST by proust (Since a politician never believes what he says, he is quite surprised to be taken at his word.)
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Manson was a shrewd demon he knew exactly what type of person to recruit. The counter-culture spawned those persons and made them vulnerable to the madness of Manson.


11 posted on 11/22/2017 9:51:33 AM PST by lastchance (Credo.)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

Yep.

Like Rush Limbaugh (he’s just a year or so older than me) I grew up in the middle of the counterculture, and thought it was stupid even then. But many embraced it.


12 posted on 11/22/2017 9:51:36 AM PST by robroys woman (So you're not confused, I'm male.)
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Manson was really a nice guy. It’s those conservative Christians who cause all the trouble. That’s what the NY Slimes has been telling us for many years.

Cut down the Christmas trees and kill the Christians, and everything will be OK.


13 posted on 11/22/2017 9:53:04 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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"Charles Manson Was Not a Product of the Counterculture"

If the New York Times says it then you know that Charles Manson WAS a Product of the Counterculture

14 posted on 11/22/2017 9:54:52 AM PST by Mr. K (NO CONSEQUENCE OF OBAMACARE REPEAL IS WORSE THAN OBAMACARE ITSELF)
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To: detective

Not a real Scotsman fallacy


15 posted on 11/22/2017 9:56:44 AM PST by Skywise
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Didn’t Bernardine Dohrn praise the killings? I seem to remember reading that, that right after the killings she said something to the effect of “After they killed those pigs with a fork they ate, wild cool!”


16 posted on 11/22/2017 9:56:52 AM PST by GrandJediMasterYoda (Trump: Greatest POTUS of all time solely for preventing Satan from taking office.)
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Last night, subbing for Hannity, Mark Steyn read a tribute to Manson that was written by Bernardine Dohrn, wife of Obama pal, Bill Ayers. Despite the NYT revisionism, Manson WAS a figure of the 60s counterculture.


17 posted on 11/22/2017 9:57:04 AM PST by Steve_Seattle
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The NYT scurries to move the historical goalposts. If there is one thing that characterizes the Left is their lying.


18 posted on 11/22/2017 9:57:16 AM PST by bkopto
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

Beat me to it.


19 posted on 11/22/2017 9:57:27 AM PST by Steve_Seattle
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

“The counterculture was a petri dish where con men, sexual predators, cult leaders and assorted opportunists thrived.”

Substitute “politics” for “counter-culture” and you statement is completely true today also.


20 posted on 11/22/2017 9:59:03 AM PST by PTBAA
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