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Winners and losers in the Republican tax bill
The Hill ^ | 2 Nov 17 | CRISTINA MARCOS, NAOMI JAGODA, NIV ELIS AND VICKI NEEDHAM

Posted on 11/02/2017 7:03:08 PM PDT by SkyPilot

Not everyone benefits equally from the tax legislation that House Republicans unveiled Thursday.

GOP leaders toiled for weeks to decide what deductions and tax breaks should be axed to pay for the tax cuts. That means the bill creates some winners and some losers.

Republicans say their plan will simplify the code and provide tax relief to middle-class families.

Speaker Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) repeatedly touted an example on Thursday of how a family of four earning the median American household income of $59,000 would save $1,182 a year on their taxes, using the proposed doubled standard deduction, reduced tax rate and expanded child tax credits.

But Democrats argue that most of the benefits of the GOP tax proposal will flow to the ultra-wealthy and corporations.

Here’s a look at who stands to gain and who stands to lose out.

(Excerpt) Read more at thehill.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: irs; taxbill; taxes; taxreform
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Winners: Corporations (not only get large tax cut but their state, local, and property tax deductions are preserved), major business groups, 401K savers (deduction preserved), repeals Johnson Amendment

Losers: High tax states (NY, NJ, CA, CT, IL, etc), Homeowners, Charities and Nonprofits (eliminates or reduces deductions), Student Loan holders (eliminates deduction)

1 posted on 11/02/2017 7:03:09 PM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: SkyPilot; BillyBoy; fieldmarshaldj; GOPsterinMA; NFHale; stephenjohnbanker; ...

Childless shrew Susie Collins wants to keep the Death Tax.

Flake joining democrats in whining about the national debt, they ONLY give a F about the debt when it comes to tax cuts.


2 posted on 11/02/2017 7:09:15 PM PDT by Impy (The democrat party is the enemy of your family and civilization itself, forget that at your peril.)
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To: SkyPilot

I’ll pay somewhat less under this bill as it is now, so it’s OK by me.


3 posted on 11/02/2017 7:10:48 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (America returns to the Rule of Law)
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To: SkyPilot

If any of you tax accountants/lawyers (I’m not one) know the answer....

I’ve looked at the bill and cross-reference it to the current US tax code and can’t see where it is eliminating the deductibility of state and local general SALES TAXES. It does clearly eliminate deductibility of state/local INCOME taxes (which are in a slightly different portion of the tax code).

So can we itemizers trapped in blue states deduct general sales taxes now?


4 posted on 11/02/2017 7:15:42 PM PDT by House Atreides (BOYCOTT the NFL, its products and players 100% - PERMANENTLY.)
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To: SkyPilot

It looks pretty good except for the delay in the death of the death tax.


5 posted on 11/02/2017 7:16:18 PM PDT by SaxxonWoods (CNN IS ISIS.)
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To: Navy Patriot

I think the US corporate tax rate needs to be competitive. I believe middle working Americans need a break. The states that have a high tax burden, while their respective citizens right that off of their federal taxes, are cost shifting to middle America. The wealth is at the coasts, they don’t need to burden middle America by paying cost shifting to them. However, I consider student loans to be a business investment, and should be deductible. So overall, better than what we have for the nation, but not perfect.


6 posted on 11/02/2017 7:20:24 PM PDT by Pete Dovgan
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To: SkyPilot

It looks like charitable deductions are preserved, but fewer people will use that deduction due to the increase in the standard deduction.


7 posted on 11/02/2017 7:24:10 PM PDT by davandbar
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To: Pete Dovgan

Is that you Chuck Schumer?


8 posted on 11/02/2017 7:32:10 PM PDT by Yogafist
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To: Impy

As much as I loathe Flake, I listened to Levin tonight. This proposal is smoke and mirrors, and flat-out SUCKS.


9 posted on 11/02/2017 7:32:43 PM PDT by alstewartfan (You walk like Great Garbo But you talk like Yogi Bear. What's going on? Al Stewart)
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To: SkyPilot
Losers: High tax states (NY, NJ, CA, CT, IL, etc)

LOL - aren't those democrat states?

10 posted on 11/02/2017 7:33:52 PM PDT by GOPJ ( http://fakehatecrimes.org/ - List of fake hate crimes against traditional/conservative Americans)
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To: alstewartfan

I like it... it’s like it was written with me in mind.


11 posted on 11/02/2017 7:35:23 PM PDT by GOPJ ( http://fakehatecrimes.org/ - List of fake hate crimes against traditional/conservative Americans)
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To: alstewartfan

$1,000 a year? Sharpen the pitchforks.


12 posted on 11/02/2017 7:39:24 PM PDT by amihow
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To: SkyPilot
I don't know what the latest version looks like, but it sounds like itemizers could be losers, no medical, no mortgage, no federal taxes, don't know about charitable or property taxes (the major ones for Sch. A),, not sure about state taxes and other deductions. Then to double the personal exemption might be good for some, not-so-good for others. Can't see if a net gain or loss for the govt, may be a gain if people lose large mortgage and property tax deductions and others.

I only rarely have had enough to itemize since my mortgage was paid off. I also have to pay first to IL and they have a straight flat-rate tax system, don't know about inheritance taxes. At least IL doesn't tax social security like Iowa does as well as the fed over certain limits.

Was disappointed they start the corporate at 20% which will be the bargaining starting point instead of the promised 15% which would be better for the economy, jobs, and keeping capital in the country or bringing it back.

Don't know about retirement plans.

I'm not sure where the capital gains tax stands, was 15% long-term and 30? short term?

$1,1++ doesn't give the middle-class taxpayer that much relief imo, better than nothing.

13 posted on 11/02/2017 7:40:06 PM PDT by Aliska
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I consider student loans to be a business investment, and should be deductible.

I would accept that for science, technology, mathematics, economics and business degrees, and only if the university offered employment placement and guaranteed employment for B and better GPA graduates.

For political "science", ethnic studies and liberal arts, not a friggin cent of tuition or interest would be deductible.

Professors salaries would be deductible for the universities under the same criteria.

Additionally, all universities would have their capital improvement donations taxed, if they failed to cut tuition commensurately.

Tax the scams and relieve the producers.

14 posted on 11/02/2017 7:42:54 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (America returns to the Rule of Law)
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To: Impy
I still can't wrap my mind around anyone with a lick of decency wanting the death tax.

Of all the taxes on this earth, and they are legion, that one is the worst. You have to pay the Government because you died. All of your money really does belong to them I suppose.

15 posted on 11/02/2017 7:43:16 PM PDT by KC_Lion (If you want on First Lady Melania's, Ivanka Trump's or Sarah Palin's Ping Lists, just let me know.)
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To: davandbar

Charitable contributions should be completely independent of the “standard deduction” and deductable by ALL taxpayers.

Contributions would skyrocket.

Now there is no incentive.


16 posted on 11/02/2017 7:44:54 PM PDT by lightman (ANTIFA is full of Bolshevik.)
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To: SkyPilot

But they did put a cap on the state and local taxes that would be disqualified for deduction. You can still deduct state and local taxes up to $10,000.

I’m glad they are looking out for the little and middle folks in this way. That would be a big deduction to lose for many people, especially if they lose part of their mortgage deduction too. It shows a desire to save the strivers from hardship.


17 posted on 11/02/2017 7:46:49 PM PDT by firebrand
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To: alstewartfan

$1,000 a year? Sharpen the pitchforks.


18 posted on 11/02/2017 7:47:04 PM PDT by amihow
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To: GOPJ

Can the Republican Party survive when we start dividing the party based on where you live? Pitting west coast conservatives against mid-west conservatives, etc.


19 posted on 11/02/2017 7:47:14 PM PDT by Yogafist
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To: amihow

What are you discussing here, Amihow? Sounds to me like many, many average wage earners are going to get screwed.


20 posted on 11/02/2017 7:49:52 PM PDT by alstewartfan (You walk like Great Garbo But you talk like Yogi Bear. What's going on? Al Stewart)
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