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As a former Marine grunt, I have to agree with this guy. I wish OleSarge was still around.
1 posted on 10/05/2017 12:25:22 PM PDT by Bob Celeste
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IMO the shooter did not need to strive for accuracy. If only a third of his bullets found their mark in that crowd, that’s still a lot of strikes. A panicked crowd stampede did the rest.


2 posted on 10/05/2017 12:27:53 PM PDT by dirtboy
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The guy has 20,000 targets and 72 minutes. Shocked he didn’t kill more. This was like shooting fish in a barrel so I don’t buy this story.


3 posted on 10/05/2017 12:27:55 PM PDT by WeWaWes (When I look in the mirror I see an elephant--a bad ass elephant)
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4 posted on 10/05/2017 12:30:03 PM PDT by iowamark
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So... the stadium scene.


5 posted on 10/05/2017 12:31:22 PM PDT by grobdriver (Where is Wilson Blair when you need him?)
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This would all just be a conspiracy theory except that we also have footage proving that it was indeed multiple shooters from different locations around the building (see link below).

I rather doubt that any such proof exists.

6 posted on 10/05/2017 12:31:50 PM PDT by iowamark
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Sorry, not buying it.

I have some military training, and I majored in mathematics and know something of probability.

It is true that accuracy at 500 yards with assault rifles shooting on a simulated fully automatic would suck.

But the shot grouping is not necessarily a function of accuracy, but of rate of fire and luck. If one person is hit by three bullets and another by 3...out of dozens of bullets spayed all at once, there is no evidence that the bullets weren't distributed fairly randomly in the area around them.

Moreover his contention that a non-military person would lack the logistical skill to smuggle that much equipment in is just stupid. Just about anybody could figure out how to just hide stuff in a lot of suitcases and take a lot of suitcases up. When they hell have you seen hotel personel checking suitcases when one checks in? Or counting them? Or counting how many trips one makes? He wasn't boarding an airplane.

8 posted on 10/05/2017 12:36:16 PM PDT by AndyTheBear
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His claimed expertise is being pushed way too far.

It was an area target. He had optics and a tripod.

Not difficult.

Fish in a barrel comes to mind.

He did not have to shoot at individual targets.


9 posted on 10/05/2017 12:36:38 PM PDT by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries.)
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The fellow is talking about a single person as a target, not a dense crowd. That changes things completely. That is the sort of target that never happens (anymore) in warfare. Aiming is irrelevant, as the target is not an individual but at worst clumps of people many yards around.


10 posted on 10/05/2017 12:38:20 PM PDT by buwaya
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11 posted on 10/05/2017 12:38:55 PM PDT by gaijin
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I am going to disagree. While it may turn out more than one shooter was involved, or at least others provided support. This was not some skilled sniper taking out a target at 1500 yards. This was fish in a barrel. Lots of lead down range into a crowd of 20,000. Actually lucky even more were not killed.

As for not being caught by hotel staff, the guy checked in with 10 bags. Hotel staff helped him to his room. He declined cleaning services and would not allow room service food delivery into his room. So there may well be an issue with staff training. But if you have been to Vegas, they are very busy and they see all kinds of weird stuff. As an example, O.J. went to a Vegas hotel room where they were selling sports memorabilia to steal his stuff back. I imagine those guys had a lot of bags to transport their goods.

I have some faith the investigation will reveal the truth. But to the point of the article, I was in the Army for 22 years, I qualified on a lot of weapons. I was the Range Officer for the SRT for a couple of years at one duty station. And I was on the Commanding Generals Pistol Team at Ft. Belvoir many years ago. I don't know the truth yet, but I am not seeing Rambo here. JMHO.

12 posted on 10/05/2017 12:39:30 PM PDT by MPJackal ("From my cold dead hands.")
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.. just as big brother is never your friend

No truer words were ever spoken.
Bears repeating, endlessly.

13 posted on 10/05/2017 12:39:43 PM PDT by tomkat
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Sounds also like possibly an egotistical commando brain who writes in plenty of First Person style, happy to demonstrate how much he knows, what he opines, and therefore we must bank all of it, forthwith.

I really prefer generally to see and hear who it is speaking.


19 posted on 10/05/2017 12:41:34 PM PDT by RitaOK (Viva Christo Rey! Public Education/Academia are the farm team for more Marxists coming... infinitum.)
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Lee Harvey Oswald, and Charles Whitman has much less densely populated target fields.


21 posted on 10/05/2017 12:42:16 PM PDT by Blue House Sue
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His theory is that the number of double- and triple-taps indicate the shooter was aiming with a great deal of skill rather than just hosing the area down with lead.

Seems like weak sauce to me.

22 posted on 10/05/2017 12:42:25 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (<img src="http://i.imgur.com/WukZwJP.gif" width=800>)
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Dude is full of it.


23 posted on 10/05/2017 12:42:28 PM PDT by TexasGator
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To the Left, chaos is a ladder to be climbed. No crisis should ever be left to go to waste.


24 posted on 10/05/2017 12:42:43 PM PDT by Obadiah
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I quickly started noticing a fowl odor in the news narrative on this Vegas massacre.

Chicken?

25 posted on 10/05/2017 12:43:49 PM PDT by SoothingDave
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You might have already guessed, yes I knew right away the shooter was using a tripod or similar gear to stabilize the gun(s). But that alone is not enough to achieve both the high rate of fire and precision accuracy that occurred in Vegas. Only a precision-sighted rifle with a quality optic can drill those kinds of groupings at such a distance, but there's more--the longevity and redundancy of machine gun fire.

Far be it for a former blue-suiter such as myself to contradict the 8 years of experience by Marine Acree, but I don't think that the Marine Corps gave Marine Acree much training on the Slide Fire Solutions bump fire stock, operation of which relies on forward pressure applied to the foregrip and the free ability of the weapon to recoil into the shoulder.

Not something that can be done with any reliability from a bipod or tripod.

I also don't think that Marine Acree has any experience with 22,000 targets herded into an acre and a half of space, and how many hits one could make without any magnified optics at all.

Paddock had red dot sights on his bump fire stock equipped rifles, and a red dot is plenty accurate enough to lob rounds into the concert area.

26 posted on 10/05/2017 12:44:27 PM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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28 posted on 10/05/2017 12:45:02 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (You can't have totalitarian globalist government if the peasants are armed.)
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I have the same background. And I was an instructor (PMI). It's legit. The shooter was not a rifleman. And he had the resources to get a legit machinegun if he wanted to. Bump stock in an ineffective novelty.

A real rifleman would have killed 100+ with less wounded.

33 posted on 10/05/2017 12:55:13 PM PDT by Salvavida (The Missouri citizen's militia sends its regards.)
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