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Missing from Ken Burns’ ‘Vietnam’: The patriotism and pride of those who fought
NY Post ^ | 19 September 2017 | Bing West

Posted on 09/21/2017 9:20:30 AM PDT by oh8eleven

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To: hal ogen

I really enjoyed his Civil War and Baseball series, own both and watch them often.


21 posted on 09/21/2017 9:39:56 AM PDT by Jolla
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To: Army Air Corps

yep-

AND the Communists ADMITTED they were LOSING the war!

finally admitted to losing a MILION yes,a MILLION men!

WE allowed them sanctuary in laos, Cambodia and their OWN
country- to this day the communists kill and slaughter Christians- hey, at least they praise John Mclame for helping! sarc

Maybe ultra Demonrat ken B. can do a series on war hero mclame- double sarc


22 posted on 09/21/2017 9:40:14 AM PDT by mj1234
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To: hal ogen

Yes, burns is a LIB loser. He will tow the leftist party line every time.


23 posted on 09/21/2017 9:43:26 AM PDT by PGR88
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To: oh8eleven
Bing West: “We all know the story ends badly. But when it’s over, we aren’t told why we lost.”

We didn't lose.

We left.

24 posted on 09/21/2017 9:44:00 AM PDT by zeestephen
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To: ilovesarah2012

“My husband was in the Air Force and stationed in Taiwan. According to him, everybody was using a lot if drugs. Could that have anything to do with the outcome?”

When was he there? After about 1968, the quality of many draftees was, shall we say, lacking.


25 posted on 09/21/2017 9:45:12 AM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: Chainmail
They'll never show us winning - like Operation Hastings in '66 where we annihilated the NVA 308B Division
I had just graduated HS and this operation gave me the impetus to enlist a few days later (that and a draft notice that was headed to my mailbox :)
I can't wait to see how he handles the Tet Offensive.
26 posted on 09/21/2017 9:45:28 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: oh8eleven

Been watching the show and it’s not missing at all.

Also has more on the scheming among the Vietnamese Politburo than I’ve ever seen on TV.


27 posted on 09/21/2017 9:46:27 AM PDT by Snickering Hound
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To: VietVet876

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28 posted on 09/21/2017 9:46:44 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: ilovesarah2012

You’re suggesting the American fighting man lost the war because he was on drugs? Please.


29 posted on 09/21/2017 9:48:05 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: Army Air Corps

He joined in 70 I think.


30 posted on 09/21/2017 9:48:08 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: oh8eleven
Something I'm sure everyone here already knows, but that infuriates me to no end, is that libs seem to take a smug pleasure in the result of the Vietnam War. I can't recall how many times I've argued with idiots who say, "the US military got its ass kicked a bunch of rice farmers! That's why America lost!"

The military won the war. Washington lost it.

31 posted on 09/21/2017 9:48:32 AM PDT by Wyrd bið ful aræd (Flag burners can go screw -- I'm mighty PROUD of that ragged old flag)
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To: lacrew
He’s a big government guy.
Not a surprise.
32 posted on 09/21/2017 9:49:03 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: oh8eleven

I never said America lost the war. We did lose about 60,000 Americans, though.


33 posted on 09/21/2017 9:50:17 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: oh8eleven

Not watching it. I already lived it, so no need to go back because it is 50 years in the past.


34 posted on 09/21/2017 9:50:24 AM PDT by Parmy
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To: hal ogen

Burns is a BIG TIME leftist Ted Kennedy lover and Obama worshipper.


35 posted on 09/21/2017 9:50:38 AM PDT by TADSLOS (Reset Underway!)
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To: Snickering Hound
Also has more on the scheming among the Vietnamese Politburo than I’ve ever seen on TV.
Agree. I don't think I've seen 10% of any of the footage in all these years.
36 posted on 09/21/2017 9:52:32 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: ilovesarah2012
My husband was in the Air Force and stationed in Taiwan. According to him, everybody was using a lot if drugs. Could that have anything to do with the outcome?

In the rear, away from the battle front that was somewhat true...

Out in the field, no way!

37 posted on 09/21/2017 9:55:55 AM PDT by JDoutrider
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To: oh8eleven

Three things:

• Giap admitted to losing 600,000 – which means it must have been a LOT more. THEY did all the dying.

• Of all the minority Americans who fought in Nam, over 75% were volunteers, NOT draftees. To a man, every one of them did honorable service. To suggest anything else is a slap in the face to all of them.

• When we left there, S Vietnamese in the 10’s of thousands ran to the coast to board the most dangerously unseaworthy craft. They took their lives in their hands to head out into the S China sea to escape the Communists. THESE are the same courageous people who for YEARS-sat still for privation, sacrifice, destruction of their homes, carpet bombing, etc. because it was worth it to save their country and their lives. Knowing the US was out of the fight, they would rather leave and take their chances in the ocean in those flimsy boats, than to stay and be murdered by the Communists.

Facts and statistics mean absolutely nothing to Liberals


38 posted on 09/21/2017 9:59:55 AM PDT by SMARTY ("Nearly all men can stand adversity...to test a man's character, give him power." A. Lincoln)
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To: scbison

That makes me think of something a while back I read about that apparently Lady Bird’s business interests and investments (as they were kept all under her name) were tied to government military contracts and thus stood to get rich from the war being dragged out over the years. Not surprising that LBJ basically sat on the whole thing and really did not want to fight to win the war like what could have been done very early on as per your post.


39 posted on 09/21/2017 10:00:14 AM PDT by OttawaFreeper ("If I had to go to war again, I'd bring lacrosse players" Conn Smythe)
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To: oh8eleven
Will not argue with what Bing West says on the matter; just wish he had made more clear the nature of our “loss”, at least for the benefit of those who were not even alive at the time.

Our troops did not lose the war on the ground. In fact we decimated the VC and NV and they were no longer able to field an effective combat force - which is why they signed the peace accord in 1973. Our combat troops left in orderly fashion and under no duress.

The “loss” occurred some two years later in 1975, after we left, due in large part to the actions of the communist-enablers and various other opportunists serving in the U.S. government. Most clearly, it was a political loss not at all due to the conduct of our military force.

The “panicked final pullout” he refers to was also somewhat orderly, at least on the part of the U.S. - it was as hurried as that of any embassy staff facing the approach of hostile combat troops, and because of the U.S. effort to evacuate as many SV personnel as possible.

40 posted on 09/21/2017 10:03:15 AM PDT by frog in a pot
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