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'Somebody Help Me!' Nurse Arrested After Refusing to Draw Blood
Time Magazine ^ | 9/1/2018 | AP

Posted on 09/01/2017 10:26:41 AM PDT by varyouga

(SALT LAKE CITY) — A Utah police officer's body camera video shows a hospital nurse being handcuffed after refusing to draw blood on an unconscious patient.

The video taken at University Hospital in Salt Lake City shows nurse Alex Wubbels calmly explaining to Salt Lake detective Jeff Payne that she couldn't draw blood on a patient who had been injured in a car accident. She told the officer a patient was required to give consent for a blood sample or be under arrest. Otherwise, she said police needed a warrant.

The dispute ended with Payne telling the nurse she was under arrest and physically moving her out of the hospital while she screamed.

The Salt Lake Tribune reports Wubbels was not charged. Police have started an internal investigation, but Payne remains on duty.

(Excerpt) Read more at time.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Utah
KEYWORDS: 127849; arrest; donutwatch; dui; jeffpayne; leo; nurse; police; searchworks; slc; utah
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To: Rebelbase

Your antifa.


181 posted on 09/01/2017 3:51:09 PM PDT by ifinnegan (Democrats kill babies and harvest their organs to sell)
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To: varyouga

“She had DOCUMENTED EVIDENCE of the law and showed it to him. “

Is she a lawyer?

Is she an officer of the court?

Documented evidence? Is that different than undocumented evidence? Lol.

“And the mayor and PD has apologized foe this fiasco. So you are WRONG!”

How many times do politicians apologize when some thug supposedly gets beat up or manhandled by police?

Your logic there is a bit wanting in trying to make pandering politicians the authority.

Seriously, you seem not to understand your position and arguments are exactly the same as Black Lives Matter.


182 posted on 09/01/2017 3:56:07 PM PDT by ifinnegan (Democrats kill babies and harvest their organs to sell)
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To: ifinnegan

Contraire. I don’t make posts supporting a police state.


183 posted on 09/01/2017 3:56:22 PM PDT by Rebelbase
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To: ifinnegan

Are you a lawyer?


184 posted on 09/01/2017 3:58:41 PM PDT by sport
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To: Rebelbase

Sorry, you’re neoKlan, neoNazi alt-right.

Please forgive me.


185 posted on 09/01/2017 3:59:00 PM PDT by ifinnegan (Democrats kill babies and harvest their organs to sell)
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To: Washi
A blood sample drawn for purposes providing emergency medical care to a patient does not have those same requirements. It's a pretty easy difference to understand.

Yes, but some people have to take their head out of their ass to be able to see the difference. Even then, their eyes are so clouded that they still can't see

186 posted on 09/01/2017 3:59:07 PM PDT by 2nd amendment mama (Self defense is a basic human right!)
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To: sport

“Are you a lawyer?”

No I am not.


187 posted on 09/01/2017 3:59:53 PM PDT by ifinnegan (Democrats kill babies and harvest their organs to sell)
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To: ifinnegan

Why you would want to defend this Policeman in a case he so obviously is going to lose before any Court is curious.

That was not an arrest. That was an unjustified case of assault and battery. By Cops.

They quickly tried to convince her with a load of double talking BS that she was acting in violation of the Law. All while she was bound with her hands behind her in the front seat of a vehicle, for no justifiable cause.

Those Cops were absolute brutes to that woman and they knew it.

Clearly they have been getting away with that sort of thing for years, but now technology has caught up to those rogues.

Screw them. Throw them in jail, and take that municipality for every last cent for allowing such vermin to transgress common decency and good sense so outrageously.


188 posted on 09/01/2017 4:00:16 PM PDT by Radix (Natural Born Citizens have Citizen parents)
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To: varyouga

No DUMBASSES She Resisted arrest, and she thought that since she was a Woman she could get away wit it, she resisted arrest regardless of right and wrong.


189 posted on 09/01/2017 4:00:20 PM PDT by hawg-farmer - FR..October 1998 (---->VMFA 235 '69 -'72 KMCAS <--- F4 PHANTOM... FLYING BRICK)
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To: ifinnegan

So let her call a lawyer to explain it to the pig before he had to go manhandling an innocent hardworking woman!

This is soviet level garbage!


190 posted on 09/01/2017 4:01:05 PM PDT by varyouga
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To: lucky american

The most STOOPID comment of the Day


191 posted on 09/01/2017 4:01:18 PM PDT by hawg-farmer - FR..October 1998 (---->VMFA 235 '69 -'72 KMCAS <--- F4 PHANTOM... FLYING BRICK)
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To: ifinnegan

You are wrong. The hospital and medical personnel involved have a responsibility to the patient; and they also face legal consequences and liability if they allow medical records to be released contrary to law or medical procedures to be done to a patient of theirs by some other person, with no legal standing.

The person in question was a patient in the hospital. He was not under arrest. Had the patient been under arrest the laws/rules/policy would have been different. There was no warrant for blood draw or access to his records/test results. LEO is the one that had no legal right to do what they were trying to do in this situation.

If she had allowed this to happen contrary to law, her license would have been in jeopardy because she would have been violating laws concerning patient care and privacy. Her employer would have also been held responsible for her actions.


192 posted on 09/01/2017 4:01:50 PM PDT by Tammy8 (Please be a regular supporter of Free Republic !)
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To: hawg-farmer - FR..October 1998

“she resisted arrest regardless of right and wrong.”

Um, if the cop was in the wrong the matter has already been settled by the US Supreme Court that a person has a right to resist unlawful arrest including the use of lethal force if necessary. Unlawful arrest is tantamount to kidnapping.

A badge doesn’t give unlimited authority to kidnap.


193 posted on 09/01/2017 4:03:25 PM PDT by CodeToad (Victorious warriors WIN first, then go to war! Go TRUMP!!!)
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To: moovova

I highly suspect that “ifinnegan” is a cop. Always sides with them and against “we, the people”.


194 posted on 09/01/2017 4:04:55 PM PDT by 2nd amendment mama (Self defense is a basic human right!)
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To: ifinnegan

“She was not even going to draw the blood, the phlebotomist policeman was going to.”

No, he was not. He has no authority to act within that hospital.

Also, just because someone else may have authority, the nurse did not.


195 posted on 09/01/2017 4:04:55 PM PDT by CodeToad (Victorious warriors WIN first, then go to war! Go TRUMP!!!)
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To: varyouga

Knee Jerk reactions from the typical idiots here, SHE OVEREACTED, SHE resisted ARREST, she relied on her EMOTIONS, but that is understandable, she resisted arrest . DUMBASS.


196 posted on 09/01/2017 4:05:05 PM PDT by hawg-farmer - FR..October 1998 (---->VMFA 235 '69 -'72 KMCAS <--- F4 PHANTOM... FLYING BRICK)
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To: hawg-farmer - FR..October 1998

The cop overreacted. By arresting this poor woman over a PAPERWORK issue

Sit dowm. Have coffee. Call lawyers and discuss it like humans! Not rabid pigs


197 posted on 09/01/2017 4:07:23 PM PDT by varyouga
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To: 2nd amendment mama

He is not a cop. He may have been a cop before many of the laws in place now were in place. If he is a cop now or has been in the last decade plus- he knows LE cannot just go to a hospital and bully staff concerning anything to do with a patient that is not under arrest without a specific warrant.


198 posted on 09/01/2017 4:16:20 PM PDT by Tammy8 (Please be a regular supporter of Free Republic !)
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To: Tammy8

“The person in question was a patient in the hospital. He was not under arrest. Had the patient been under arrest the laws/rules/policy would have been different. There was no warrant for blood draw or access to his records/test results. LEO is the one that had no legal right to do what they were trying to do in this situation.”

Thank you for understanding what I said.

In the above I am not, and have not argued against that assertion. (I don’t necessarily agree with it, but for the sake of argument I fully accept it).

In this circumstance the responsibility is with the officer and he/she will face the consequences one way or the other.

“If she had allowed this to happen contrary to law, her license would have been in jeopardy because she would have been violating laws concerning patient care and privacy.”

Utter nonsense, sorry. There is no way a nurse could be censured for following a police officer’s orders.

“Her employer would have also been held responsible for her actions.”

This is conceivably possible, but the hospital,would be in a good position to defend.

This is the nice thing about being a civil society based on rule of law. At this point it is where review of policy comes in to play on both the parts of the police and private side, in communication with each other and in cooperation to make things better for future events.

This is what is done as opposed to one side condemning and demonizing the other (and it’s always the law side being demonized).


199 posted on 09/01/2017 4:17:07 PM PDT by ifinnegan (Democrats kill babies and harvest their organs to sell)
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To: ifinnegan

I have some experience in jail wards in hospitals. In my experience a nurse wouldn’t follow an order from a deputy or CO if she thought it was illegal. She would say talk to the charge nurse or she would get the charge nurse. I was married to an RN for 22 years and i have been in the hospital 12 or more times since 2002. Nurses do not follow cops orders blindly unless there is gunfire on the floor.


200 posted on 09/01/2017 4:19:42 PM PDT by morphing libertarian (Imprison, The Clintons, Holder, Obama, and Huma for starters)
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