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Video shows Utah nurse screaming, being dragged into police car...
Salt Lake Tribune ^ | August 31, 2017 | Pamela Manson

Posted on 09/01/2017 7:34:22 AM PDT by BobNative

A nurse says she was assaulted and illegally arrested by a Salt Lake City police detective for following a hospital policy that does not allow blood draws from unconscious patients.

Footage from University Hospital and officer body cameras shows Detective Jeff Payne and nurse Alex Wubbels in a standoff over whether the policeman should be allowed to get a blood sample from a patient who had been injured in a July 26 collision in northern Utah that left another driver dead.

Wubbels says blood cannot be taken from an unconscious patient unless the patient is under arrest, unless there is a warrant allowing the draw or unless the patient consents. The detective acknowledges in the footage that none of those requirements is in place, but he insists that he has the authority to obtain the draw, according to the footage.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; US: Utah
KEYWORDS: abuseofpower; assault; donutwatch; leo; nurse; police; psychocop; slc; utah
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To: JoeRed; All

Joe,

Did you see this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihQ1-LQOkns


301 posted on 09/01/2017 7:59:31 PM PDT by Enlightened1
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To: Responsibility2nd

Here watch...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihQ1-LQOkns


302 posted on 09/01/2017 8:01:04 PM PDT by Enlightened1
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To: eyedigress

“Joe, this cop needed a warrant. Period.’

According to whom?


303 posted on 09/01/2017 8:01:47 PM PDT by JoeRed
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To: JoeRed

He is licensed for it but can no more take it than the man on the moon.

This patient was under the control of the hospital.

This jack-ass came in and tried to strong-arm a blood sample from a nurse. Defend him all you want.

He is out and the county just provided early retirement for a nurse.


304 posted on 09/01/2017 8:01:58 PM PDT by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west))
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To: JoeRed

The law.


305 posted on 09/01/2017 8:02:33 PM PDT by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west))
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To: JoeRed

So the next time your in a coma I can send some ass-hole over with a badge and take your blood? Right


306 posted on 09/01/2017 8:03:42 PM PDT by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west))
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To: Enlightened1

Seen it. What’s your point?


307 posted on 09/01/2017 8:03:48 PM PDT by JoeRed
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To: JoeRed

Footage from University Hospital and officer body cameras shows Detective Jeff Payne and nurse Alex Wubbels in a standoff over whether the policeman should be allowed to get a blood sample from a patient....

This is all of the relevant texts I see in the article. this does not mean the cop can draw the blood from the veins or artery. This means the cop may receive a blood sample or the nurse or the hospital will send it to the police lab. Jails have nurses on duty and some have doctors. They do blood draws in the facilities as needed.

Cops ARE NOT trained to draw blood. i am familiar with dozens of correctional, police, and sheriff’s jurisdictions. i realize that is not all of them.

Please provide a source as you said that cops are licensed and trained to draw blood and i will consider myself educated.


308 posted on 09/01/2017 8:04:34 PM PDT by morphing libertarian (Imprison, The Clintons, Holder, Obama, and Huma for starters)
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To: eyedigress

Nonsense. A hospital is not a sanctuary. Attack the police all you want. They’re always wrong in the eyes of the left.


309 posted on 09/01/2017 8:06:04 PM PDT by JoeRed
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To: JoeRed

So instead of him drawing the blood himself he decided to arrest the nurse. Waitring for an explanation of this remarkable occurrence.


310 posted on 09/01/2017 8:07:44 PM PDT by morphing libertarian (Imprison, The Clintons, Holder, Obama, and Huma for starters)
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To: morphing libertarian

“Please provide a source as you said that cops are licensed and trained to draw blood and i will consider myself educated.”

I didn’t say that ALL cops are licensed. I said the one that was sent there to take blood was. It’s in the article.


311 posted on 09/01/2017 8:08:39 PM PDT by JoeRed
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To: JoeRed

> Yes he did. <

If he did explain, it wasn’t caught on video. I watched the extended version of this incident on YouTube (18 minutes). Not once did the cop say “You are breaking law (whatever). If you do not comply, you will be arrested.”

Yeah, maybe the police did call ahead of time. Maybe they explained things perfectly to someone in some office, citing chapter and verse of the relevant law. Good for them. However, the cop on the scene said nothing of the sort. Nothing at all. He just went from 0 to 60 in one second.

People in a free society deserve better.

Oh, and let me add one more thing. Only AFTER the nurse was arrested, and was placed in a police car, did another officer go up to her and tell her she was under arrest for obstructing justice. I guess he was the cool-off guy.

Again, people in a free society deserve better.


312 posted on 09/01/2017 8:08:59 PM PDT by Leaning Right (I have already previewed or do not wish to preview this composition.)
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To: morphing libertarian

That entire point will probably just get this cop in more trouble. No consent and no warrant.

Claiming he has the authority to transport and such.

Something else is going on here. No order to obtain is were we start. This cop wanted that blood. He gets to explain why he just cost the county a boatload of money.


313 posted on 09/01/2017 8:09:52 PM PDT by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west))
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To: morphing libertarian

“So instead of him drawing the blood himself he decided to arrest the nurse. Waitring for an explanation of this remarkable occurrence.”

She was not allowing him to: hence her arrest.


314 posted on 09/01/2017 8:10:09 PM PDT by JoeRed
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To: morphing libertarian

This was from an article I read in Salt Lake Tribune

“Payne is one of about 10 officers who are certified to take blood from people who have been involved in serious crashes or other accidents, or are suspected of driving under the influence, Judd said. They carry their own blood-draw kits, she said, and are often called upon by other police departments, such as Logan, to take blood at Salt Lake City hospitals. “


315 posted on 09/01/2017 8:10:11 PM PDT by pnz1 (#IMNOTWITHHER)
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To: JoeRed

The hospital is an institution that holds the rights to an unconscious patient.

You tell me where the warrant was.


316 posted on 09/01/2017 8:11:58 PM PDT by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west))
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To: eyedigress

What law?


317 posted on 09/01/2017 8:12:04 PM PDT by JoeRed
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To: JoeRed
The reason she can't draw blood from an unconscious patient is because the nurse had already administered pain killers to the patient. The blood sample would be contaminated, and not at all reflective of the driver's condition at the time of the traffic incident. The officer knew this. He wanted a blood sample to pin the blame for this traffic incident on the unconscious truck driver. The nurse knew what he was trying to do so he in turn tried to have her arrested to cover up his shameful attempt at a frame up. Plus without the doctors orders to take blood, no one is allowed to do any sort of procedure on an a patient conscious or unconscious. If she took that blood she more than likely would have been fired for going against HIPPA violations... Its all to protect patient privacy, so no its not because she didn't feel like it, but she could potentially lose her license. Finally, the law does not apply to the driver of the truck that was HIT BY the suspect fleeing the police. The person in question was not accused of any crime, nor was he a suspect, nor was there any probable cause to suspect that he was.
318 posted on 09/01/2017 8:12:19 PM PDT by Enlightened1
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To: JoeRed

“Joe, this cop needed a warrant. Period.’

According to whom?

The United States Supreme Court and Utah Statutes.


319 posted on 09/01/2017 8:12:34 PM PDT by Valpal1 (I am grown weary.)
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To: eyedigress

“So the next time your in a coma I can send some ass-hole over with a badge and take your blood? Right”

That’s fallacious nonsense. I’m not going to explain it again.


320 posted on 09/01/2017 8:14:31 PM PDT by JoeRed
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