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Joel Osteen: ‘We have never closed our doors’ ('Our church is not designated as a shelter')
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| 08/29/2017
| John Sexton
Posted on 08/29/2017 7:18:35 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
Joel Osteen is the pastor of one of the largest mega-churches in the country which happens to be located in Houston. Sunday morning the church posted a message on Facebook which said, “Dear Houstonians! Lakewood Church is inaccessible due to severe flooding! We want to help make sure you are safe. Please see the list below for safe shelters around our city, and please share this with those in need!” This was followed by a list of multiple shelters in the area.
That led to a flood of criticism on social media that the church was, in effect, turning people away when they were most in need. Today, a spokesman for the church said the building was genuinely flooded Sunday. From the Washington Post:
Lakewood Church spokesman Don Iloff said the building itself had been flooded, with water getting close to spilling over the facilitys floodgate. Taking in a crowd of storm refugees over the weekend wouldve been unsafe, though Iloff maintained that the churchs doors have always been open.
We were never closed, Iloff told The Washington Post. This is crazy. People are saying weve locked the church. The church has been open from the beginning, but its not designated as a shelter.
Water had receded by Monday, and the building was designated as a shelter by Tuesday, Iloff said. He pushed back at critics who say the church shouldve let people in sooner.
As you might imagine, there has been a lot of debate about whether or not the church was flooded Sunday. A reporter for Gizmodo noted two pictures which haven’t been verified:
The Washington Post also published a photo which appears to show significant flooding outside the church. But by Monday whatever flooding there might have been the day before was gone:
Monday Joel and Victoria Osteen released a statement saying the church would partner with aid organization Samaritans Purse on relief efforts. The statement also said the church was working with the city to coordinate volunteers. By Monday afternoon, an update stated, “Coordinating with the city, Lakewood is a collection site for distributing supplies to the Houston area shelters.”
Tuesday morning, Osteen announced on Twitter that the church would now be open as a shelter:
The Houston Chronicle reports that by noon today about 50 people had taken shelter at Lakewood. So it seems this is a case of better late than never. The church may indeed have been flooded Sunday but it’s unclear why it took an extra day for Osteen to announce the building would accept people who need shelter 24 hours after it became accessible. If there’s a problem here it’s that the Osteens didn’t appear as eager to help as they might have. To be fair, the Post notes that the church, when it was located in another building, housed around 5,000 people who needed shelter after flooding in 2001.
TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: cashforprayers; houston; hurricaneharvey; joelosteen; megachurch; osteen; texas
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To: UCANSEE2
His BIL said “We have a lot of faith in the flood pumps.”. I thought they had a lot of faith in God.
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posted on
08/29/2017 8:55:59 PM PDT
by
Terry Mross
(Liver spots And blood thinners.)
To: greedo
Why would evacuees be sent to a church when the stadiums are available? His church IS a stadium.
It was formerly called 'The Summit'. The Houston Rockets played there.
The concessions are still there, he rakes in millions selling food to the congregation that he fleeces.
To: Snickering Hound
The former stadium is full of seats now.
How many cots will fit in there?
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posted on
08/29/2017 9:08:03 PM PDT
by
greedo
To: greedo
A couple...
To: buffaloguy
But this was not built as a church, it was an arena where the Houston Rockets played, and as such was built with certain flood considerations and to be used as a shelter in times of emergency.
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posted on
08/29/2017 9:15:54 PM PDT
by
clyde260
(Public Enemy #1: Network News!)
To: GBA
Christianity is even harder for those who, like you do apparently, make a religion out of it.
It is not for us to declare anyone on this mortal coil beyond the reach of the Lord, because we cannot read minds. Your mocking has not failed to draw the frown of God, however.
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posted on
08/29/2017 9:16:32 PM PDT
by
HiTech RedNeck
(Tryin' hard to win the No-Bull Prize.)
To: MrEdd
The fog of bad weather and faux-news. There’s so much hearsay. If it’d been “flooded” it seems weird to hear a report of it being used at all again this fast.
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posted on
08/29/2017 9:20:17 PM PDT
by
HiTech RedNeck
(Tryin' hard to win the No-Bull Prize.)
To: UCANSEE2
Really? Some place on the east coast is getting 50 inches of rain??
To: SeekAndFind
They literally despise churches, and then they criticize them when they don’t provide services.
I hate to use the “F” word when it comes to a post related to a church, but the media is just vile.
God, this will sound blasphemous, but I sure hope You are watching what is taking place.
Our members of the media are out of control.
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posted on
08/29/2017 9:42:14 PM PDT
by
DoughtyOne
(Exempting Trump and his team, our media and government have adopted the Zoolander management style.)
To: DoughtyOne
Like that big, wide media mountain of Oprah?
To: SeekAndFind
**(’Our church is not designated as a shelter’), **
Then designate it as such.
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posted on
08/29/2017 9:46:43 PM PDT
by
Salvation
("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
To: Snickering Hound
Superficially, your comments sound as if reasoned. I don’t agree with leaders accumulating that much personal wealth off their church.
Is that church run well? Is it a thriving concern? Is it helping people in the community? Are it’s parishioners getting the personal and religious support they need? Are it’s parishioners having to bankrupt themselves so this man and his family can live like this?
Was this property worth considerably less a decade or two ago? Has it appreciated in value along the way?
There are many variables that could impact my thoughts on this man’s estate.
I’m not sure at all that he is evil, or taking advantage of his church members.
They seem to be comfortable with him, and they must know of his home.
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posted on
08/29/2017 9:48:34 PM PDT
by
DoughtyOne
(Exempting Trump and his team, our media and government have adopted the Zoolander management style.)
To: Snickering Hound
A guy is recognized by Oprah. Is that grounds to say proof positive he is evil?
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posted on
08/29/2017 9:50:13 PM PDT
by
DoughtyOne
(Exempting Trump and his team, our media and government have adopted the Zoolander management style.)
To: DoughtyOne
A guy is recognized by Oprah. Is that grounds to say proof positive he is evil?Do you know of any other pastors Oprah liked? Other than Jeremiah Wright?
If your pastor owns the most expensive home in the congregation, collects Ferraris, and owns a jet all on the backs of little old ladies putting their Social Security check in the collection basket and buying his books and DVD's for the hope of his 'Prosperity Gospel' allowing them to buy their medication...
To: Snickering Hound
I know of a guy who purchased a property for $200,000 dollars in La Canada, CA. He invested some money in the property and today it’s worth $5 to $7.5 million, perhaps even more. It’s on about five acres.
If you know all the particulars about this pastor’s property, and all the financial dealings of the church, then perhaps you’re right.
He has a congregation of 16,000. Do you honestly think that is made up of only little old ladies turning over their SS checks?
I don’t have an instant negative opinion of other people’s church leaders.
It would seem to me that with 16,000 people watching what this guy is doing, at least some of them would be angry if he’s as bad as you say.
Is his congregation going after him?
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posted on
08/29/2017 10:36:36 PM PDT
by
DoughtyOne
(Exempting Trump and his team, our media and government have adopted the Zoolander management style.)
To: SeekAndFind
Do Not Judge
(Luke 6:37-42; Romans 14:1-12)
1JUDGE not, that you may not be judged, 2For with what judgment you judge, you shall be judged: and with what measure you mete, it shall be measured to you again. 3Any why seest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye; and seest not the beam that is in thy own eye? 4Or how sayest thou to thy brother: Let me cast the mote out of thy eye; and behold a beam is in thy own eye? 5Thou hypocrite, cast out first the beam in thy own eye, and then shalt thou see to cast out the mote out of thy brother’s eye.
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posted on
08/29/2017 10:40:31 PM PDT
by
the_daug
To: SeekAndFind
I’m sure Joel Olsteen people live in the area and is already subject to the same disaster.
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posted on
08/29/2017 10:45:37 PM PDT
by
the_daug
To: HiTech RedNeck
If it was flooded with category 3 water to have it suitable for a shelter within 24 hours is a miracle in itself. I know this factually. I am not an Osteen fan by any measure either.
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posted on
08/29/2017 10:52:52 PM PDT
by
enduserindy
( I always smile when my competition doubles down on stupid.)
To: enduserindy
Did all the other churches open their doors for relief victims? Haven’t been online...
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posted on
08/29/2017 10:59:24 PM PDT
by
stars & stripes forever
(Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord. Psalm 33:12)
To: HiTech RedNeck
I have no idea what you're talking about in either the post I quoted and responded to or this post you wrote to me in response.
Fwiw, you were misleading if not lying about Osteen and his being "willing to give true glory to the Lord for His gifts."
I actually listen to Osteen in the car and, while ymmv, the one aspect of Osteen's preaching I find most valuable is his preaching about being thankful and giving glory to God for all of God's blessings, no matter how big or small, and to be thankful where you are and how things are in your life right now, rather than bitching and moaning about how you want things to be.
Which leads me to the second part of your post. What is it that the Osteens need to be forgiven for, oh righteous one? How do you know that Osteen isn't highly favored by the Lord?
Perhaps you and the Accuser can get together and share your notes on the Osteens many offenses before trying the Osteens in the Court of the Lord. I bet the Lord loves stuff like that!
Anyhoo...I have no idea what 'mocking' you're referring to, but hey, thanks for caring!
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posted on
08/29/2017 10:59:40 PM PDT
by
GBA
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