NY Times: Should You Trust Climate Science? Maybe the Eclipse Is a Clue (groan alert)

NY Times ^ | August 18, 2017 | Justin Gillis

[JPJones]

“So what predictions has climate science made, and have they come true?”

No.

An Ice Age (Rasool/Schnieder 1971)

.2C warming the first two decades of 21st century (IPCC TAR)

Ice free Arctic by 2016. Wadhams/Maslowski 2012

“Children won’t know what snow is.”- 2001, Dr. Viner, PhD., Hadley Climate Research Unit.

[freefdny]

The epic stupidity of the entire article is mind boggling. I’m not a scientist but I like to think I can reason and think critically. No such attempt at reason and critical thinking is even remotely attempted here.
“They tell us that we are now at risk of causing the great ice sheets in Greenland and west Antarctica to collapse, which would raise the sea level 30 feet or more over some unknown period, wiping out many of the world’s great cities.” The use of the incredibly precise and deeply sound scientific terminology “some unknown period” for a thirty foot sea rise tells you all you need to know about this article. Is the unknown period for the sea rise a week,a year,a billion years? Who knows? Just remember it will wipe out many of the world’s greatest cities. I think if Galileo were alive today he would roar with laughter at these great scientific minds.

[MountainWalker]

For this to resemble AGW this would be have to be like a solar eclipse passing over Patagonia in October and astronomers claiming to have nailed the prediction anyway.

[Lurkinanloomin]

People who are directly in the path of the total eclipse will get a perfect object lesson in global warming when the temperature drops when the Sun’s rays are interrupted.

All global warming comes from the Sun.

[Sacajaweau]

Here's the problem as I see it....No matter what happens, the scientists will be proven right on this basis

that either the temp doesn't rise because of our intervention (Solar, wind, pedal cars".....or...

it did rise...because we were too late.

In the meantime, it snows in winter and is hot in the summer. Sea level remains unchanged, The "correct" temperature of the earth now and in the future remains "unknown".

[Grampa Dave]

It isn't theory or a SWAG when solar eclipses occur.

There is a proven mathematical formula as shown below. Gorebull warming isn't even a SWAG. It is pure emotional BS posing as science.

Below is the formula for calculating solar eclipses. This is the formula for between 2005 and 2050:

T=62.92+0.32217;t+0.005589;t2

T=62.92+0.32217;t+0.005589;t2

Where:

y=year+(month 0.5)/12

y=year+(month0.5)/12

t=y;2000

[Lurkinanloomin]

Let alone the source of that terrorism, the “I” word.

[Flick Lives]

They can predict with some certainty when the Milky Way will collide with Andromeda. 4 billion years. Climate change in 100 years? Not so much.

They're only so-so with predicting tomorrow's weather!

[Signalman]

The NY Slimes article convienently left this out:

[Grampa Dave]

The link below shows the geometry and trig formulas and calculations for the solar eclipse in August 1999, before this one. The path and timing are based on solid math not Gorebull Warming BS posing as science.

https://www.eso.org/public/outreach/eduoff/aol/market/collaboration/eclipse99/projects/solecl-2d.htm

[Reily]

Yes classical mechanics which are deterministic and statistics which aren’t, are so close in there use!

As George E. P. Box (famous statistician) said: “All models are wrong some are useful!”

[Raycpa]

Today’s scientific method: can we get funded?

[Mr. K]

I trust SCIENCE...

“Climate” science is NOT science.

[Calvin Locke]

Around the turn of the millennium, one “theory” the progressives were pushing was that AGW started with Christianity.

[Reverend Wright]

Actually I think the plan may be to deliberately botch the Yellowstone supervolcano.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-4803246/NASA-reveals-risky-plan-COOL-Yellowstone.html

Then global temperatures plummet, but climate “scientists” can say, the temp would have gone up but for the volcano.

[hal ogen]

The nyslimes is an embarrassment to the truth on ALL levels.

[justa-hairyape]

Yes, but can these geniuses calculate the average atmospheric temperature drop caused by the eclipse along any relevant eclipse pathway ?

[vpintheak]

Anyone with 1/2 a brain and a capacity for thought knows that people long, long ago were able to predict happenings in the solar system.

I guess this kind of explains the thought power of the idiots at the NY Slimes and their readers.

[Svartalfiar]

I was half surprised that the Times would publish something that started with an excerpt like this (sounded pretty factual), but...

So what predictions has climate science made, and have they come true?

[1897 heating prediction is true, Earth has heated 2 degrees F since then, even though there was no accurate way to measure it then (and really isn't now either).]

The scientists told us that the Arctic would warm especially fast. They told us to expect heavier rainstorms. They told us heat waves would soar. They told us that the oceans would rise. All of those things have come to pass.

Funny though, the article doesn't really touch on the major stuff they've been wrong about, like global cooling from way back when, the lack of warming now, how the Earth was much warmer during Roman times/previous times.. No mention of the lack of major hurricanes even though they predicted tons of super-strong storms... Heat waves? I live in Texas and I don't think we've really had many if any days over 100 degrees this summer. It's been rather mild compared to summers past I remember. Oceans rising? I'm pretty sure that has been debunked many times over.. Anyone recall the NE coast mayor who lives on a tiny island who said the water was the same?