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NY Times: Should You Trust Climate Science? Maybe the Eclipse Is a Clue (groan alert)
NY Times ^ | August 18, 2017 | Justin Gillis

Posted on 08/21/2017 8:21:33 AM PDT by Zakeet

For years now, atmospheric scientists have been handing us a set of predictions about the likely consequences of our emissions of industrial gases. These forecasts are critically important, because this group of experts sees grave risks to our civilization. And yet, when it comes to reacting to the warnings of climate science, we have done little.

If the science were brand new, that might make sense, but climate scientists have been making predictions since the end of the 19th century. This is the acid test of any scientific theory: Does it make predictions that ultimately come true?

In the early 20th century, Albert Einstein’s new and controversial theory of relativity predicted that gravity would cause light to bend. It sounded crazy, but a solar eclipse in 1919 provided the opportunity to test it as starlight passed near the blotted-out sun. Einstein’s theory was proved, turning him into a celebrity overnight.

When medicine delivered a wave of vaccines in the 20th century, doctors predicted that widespread use would cause childhood deaths from illnesses like whooping cough and diphtheria to fall. The public trusted the doctors, and those deaths plummeted.

So what predictions has climate science made, and have they come true?

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: climatechange; eclipse; mediabias; nytimes; solareclipse
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To: Zakeet

“So what predictions has climate science made, and have they come true?”

No.

An Ice Age (Rasool/Schnieder 1971)

.2C warming the first two decades of 21st century (IPCC TAR)

Ice free Arctic by 2016. Wadhams/Maslowski 2012

“Children won’t know what snow is.”- 2001, Dr. Viner, PhD., Hadley Climate Research Unit.


21 posted on 08/21/2017 9:08:17 AM PDT by JPJones (There is no Law but Constitutional Law, and America is Its Agent)
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To: Zakeet

The epic stupidity of the entire article is mind boggling. I’m not a scientist but I like to think I can reason and think critically. No such attempt at reason and critical thinking is even remotely attempted here.
“They tell us that we are now at risk of causing the great ice sheets in Greenland and west Antarctica to collapse, which would raise the sea level 30 feet or more over some unknown period, wiping out many of the world’s great cities.” The use of the incredibly precise and deeply sound scientific terminology “some unknown period” for a thirty foot sea rise tells you all you need to know about this article. Is the unknown period for the sea rise a week,a year,a billion years? Who knows? Just remember it will wipe out many of the world’s greatest cities. I think if Galileo were alive today he would roar with laughter at these great scientific minds.


22 posted on 08/21/2017 9:10:36 AM PDT by freefdny
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To: Zakeet

For this to resemble AGW this would be have to be like a solar eclipse passing over Patagonia in October and astronomers claiming to have nailed the prediction anyway.


23 posted on 08/21/2017 9:12:40 AM PDT by MountainWalker
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To: Zakeet

People who are directly in the path of the total eclipse will get a perfect object lesson in global warming when the temperature drops when the Sun’s rays are interrupted.

All global warming comes from the Sun.


24 posted on 08/21/2017 9:15:49 AM PDT by Lurkinanloomin (Natural Born Citizen Means Born Here Of Citizen Parents - Know Islam, No Peace -No Islam, Know Peace)
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To: Reverend Wright
Here's the problem as I see it....No matter what happens, the scientists will be proven right on this basis

that either the temp doesn't rise because of our intervention (Solar, wind, pedal cars".....or...

it did rise...because we were too late.

In the meantime, it snows in winter and is hot in the summer. Sea level remains unchanged, The "correct" temperature of the earth now and in the future remains "unknown".

25 posted on 08/21/2017 9:16:48 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Zakeet
It isn't theory or a SWAG when solar eclipses occur.

There is a proven mathematical formula as shown below. Gorebull warming isn't even a SWAG. It is pure emotional BS posing as science.

Below is the formula for calculating solar eclipses. This is the formula for between 2005 and 2050:

T=62.92+0.32217;t+0.005589;t2

T=62.92+0.32217;t+0.005589;t2

Where:

y=year+(month 0.5)/12

y=year+(month0.5)/12

t=y;2000

26 posted on 08/21/2017 9:16:50 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (Voting for Trump to be our President, made 62+ million of us into Dumb Deplorable Colluders, MAGA!!!)
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To: yoe

Let alone the source of that terrorism, the “I” word.


27 posted on 08/21/2017 9:17:31 AM PDT by Lurkinanloomin (Natural Born Citizen Means Born Here Of Citizen Parents - Know Islam, No Peace -No Islam, Know Peace)
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To: C210N
They can predict with some certainty when the Milky Way will collide with Andromeda. 4 billion years. Climate change in 100 years? Not so much.

They're only so-so with predicting tomorrow's weather!

28 posted on 08/21/2017 9:18:53 AM PDT by Flick Lives (#CNNblackmail)
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To: Zakeet
The NY Slimes article convienently left this out:


29 posted on 08/21/2017 9:20:12 AM PDT by Signalman
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The link below shows the geometry and trig formulas and calculations for the solar eclipse in August 1999, before this one. The path and timing are based on solid math not Gorebull Warming BS posing as science.

https://www.eso.org/public/outreach/eduoff/aol/market/collaboration/eclipse99/projects/solecl-2d.htm


30 posted on 08/21/2017 9:20:25 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (Voting for Trump to be our President, made 62+ million of us into Dumb Deplorable Colluders, MAGA!!!)
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To: Zakeet

Yes classical mechanics which are deterministic and statistics which aren’t, are so close in there use!

As George E. P. Box (famous statistician) said: “All models are wrong some are useful!”


31 posted on 08/21/2017 9:26:07 AM PDT by Reily
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To: Zakeet

Today’s scientific method: can we get funded?


32 posted on 08/21/2017 9:29:54 AM PDT by Raycpa
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To: Zakeet

I trust SCIENCE...

“Climate” science is NOT science.


33 posted on 08/21/2017 9:38:38 AM PDT by Mr. K (***THERE IS NO CONSEQUENCE OF REPEALING OBAMACARE THAT IS WORSE THAN OBAMACARE ITSELF***)
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To: FirstFlaBn

Around the turn of the millennium, one “theory” the progressives were pushing was that AGW started with Christianity.


34 posted on 08/21/2017 10:03:24 AM PDT by Calvin Locke
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To: Sacajaweau

Actually I think the plan may be to deliberately botch the Yellowstone supervolcano.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-4803246/NASA-reveals-risky-plan-COOL-Yellowstone.html

Then global temperatures plummet, but climate “scientists” can say, the temp would have gone up but for the volcano.


35 posted on 08/21/2017 10:22:50 AM PDT by Reverend Wright (The CBC: Deceiving Canadians since 1936.)
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To: Reverend Wright
The nyslimes is an embarrassment to the truth on ALL levels.
36 posted on 08/21/2017 10:38:06 AM PDT by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation camp?)
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To: Zakeet
Yes, but can these geniuses calculate the average atmospheric temperature drop caused by the eclipse along any relevant eclipse pathway ?
37 posted on 08/21/2017 12:37:34 PM PDT by justa-hairyape (The user name is sarcastic. Although at times it may not appear that way.)
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To: Zakeet

Anyone with 1/2 a brain and a capacity for thought knows that people long, long ago were able to predict happenings in the solar system.

I guess this kind of explains the thought power of the idiots at the NY Slimes and their readers.


38 posted on 08/21/2017 1:28:47 PM PDT by vpintheak (Freedom is not equality; and equality is not freedom!)
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To: Zakeet
I was half surprised that the Times would publish something that started with an excerpt like this (sounded pretty factual), but...

So what predictions has climate science made, and have they come true?

[1897 heating prediction is true, Earth has heated 2 degrees F since then, even though there was no accurate way to measure it then (and really isn't now either).]

The scientists told us that the Arctic would warm especially fast. They told us to expect heavier rainstorms. They told us heat waves would soar. They told us that the oceans would rise. All of those things have come to pass.


Funny though, the article doesn't really touch on the major stuff they've been wrong about, like global cooling from way back when, the lack of warming now, how the Earth was much warmer during Roman times/previous times.. No mention of the lack of major hurricanes even though they predicted tons of super-strong storms... Heat waves? I live in Texas and I don't think we've really had many if any days over 100 degrees this summer. It's been rather mild compared to summers past I remember. Oceans rising? I'm pretty sure that has been debunked many times over.. Anyone recall the NE coast mayor who lives on a tiny island who said the water was the same?
39 posted on 08/23/2017 11:12:35 AM PDT by Svartalfiar
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