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10 missing after USS John McCain collides with merchant ship; search underway
ABC NEWS ^ | August 20, 2017 | LUCIEN BRUGGEMAN

Posted on 08/20/2017 6:35:30 PM PDT by Enchante

A Navy guided-missile destroyer, the USS John S. McCain, collided with a commercial vessel east of Singapore early Monday morning local time, the Navy said.

There were 10 sailors missing and five injured, the Navy said.

The collision with the merchant ship Alnic MC occurred east of the Straits of Malacca and Singapore at 6:24 a.m. Japan Standard Time, as the McCain was on its way for a routine port visit in Singapore, the Navy said.

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: accident; maritime; military; missing; navy; sailors; searchworks; toomanygirls; usnavy; ussjohnmccain
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To: caddie

“boat” are black and sink. This was a ship.


221 posted on 08/20/2017 9:13:27 PM PDT by Bull Snipe
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To: Enchante

With a hole in her port side, more than likely the other ship was/is at fault, it this was a crossing accident. The ship on the starboard side has the right away when ossing.


222 posted on 08/20/2017 9:13:40 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (Voting for Trump to be our President, made 62+ million of us into Dumb Deplorable Colluders, MAGA!!!)
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To: Lera
It was named after his grandfather and his father , Admiral John McCain Sr and Admiral John McCain Jr .

In order to preserve their reputations, shouldn't they have changed their names?

223 posted on 08/20/2017 9:14:41 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves Month")
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To: TheDon; rlmorel
Attacks? You are Foxtrot Oscar Sierra!!!

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The Fitz ran into (was moving much faster than) the ACX Crystal, not vice versa.

I analyzed the damage on both ships -- and that is preciselyt how it was.

And, my drawing of the positions of the two ships at collision matched the (much later) USN drawing within a couple of degrees -- and rlmorel's was essentially identical to mine....

In this case, the track of the Alnic was dead straight and unvarying for miles. All the blundering McCain had to do was keep out of her way...

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Knock off the stupid conspiracy bu!!$#|+!!!

224 posted on 08/20/2017 9:14:53 PM PDT by TXnMA (Remember the Alamo! Remember Goliad! Treat George P. Bush like Santa Ana at San Jacinto!!!)
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To: Grampa Dave

Still seems astonishing that the USN ship would not take evasive action in time, if necessary. We should not be dependent upon the quality and competence of every civilian ship’s crew to avoid collisions with USN ships, but it’s looking like we have to worry about the quality and competence on at least a few USN ships, too.


225 posted on 08/20/2017 9:16:49 PM PDT by Enchante (Searching throughout the country for one honest Democrat....)
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To: Presbyterian Reporter
I believe there is a John S McCain the Fourth.

There is. Here he was in 1992, at the christening of another boat named McCain:


JSM III, his mother Roberta, JSM IV, Meghan, Cindy the beer baroness

226 posted on 08/20/2017 9:18:03 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: IncPen

ping to 27


227 posted on 08/20/2017 9:19:14 PM PDT by Nailbiter
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To: TXnMA

Share your CIA psyops somewhere else. No sheep here.


228 posted on 08/20/2017 9:19:21 PM PDT by TheDon (MAGA!)
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To: 1066AD

It was daylight. Now what excuse did the crew have?


229 posted on 08/20/2017 9:20:05 PM PDT by TXnMA (Remember the Alamo! Remember Goliad! Treat George P. Bush like Santa Ana at San Jacinto!!!)
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To: secondamendmentkid
Serious maintenance issues that were not properly addressed by the ship’s crew .... A weapon from a foreign source

Sorry. It's a lot easier than that. It's not maintenance. It's not enemy action. It's supposedly trained and experienced officers (OOD is typically a LT) who can't/won't do their jobs. Not running into other ships doesn't require exceptional skill. A little experience, common sense, thinking ahead, and watching for what's around you, and it's all easily handled.

230 posted on 08/20/2017 9:21:38 PM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: Grampa Dave

possible. But the damage could have been done during a radical maneuver to try to avoid collision. Would seem to me that the tanker would have been heading toward Singapore or headed to the North East away from Singapore. McCain was headed toward Singapore. If that was the case and the tanker was also headed for Singapore then they would have been on roughly parallel courses and possible an overtaking situation at the time of collision. If the tanker was headed away from Singapore, then they may have been on reciprocal courses and it could have been a meeting situation.


231 posted on 08/20/2017 9:25:48 PM PDT by Bull Snipe
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To: Enchante
?thorough possible review and updating of all training, watch, procedures, etc.

That's ok, but too much of that and you get accidents like this.

The primary guy resonsible for the safe navigation of the ship is the Officer of the Deck. His first job is not running into rocks or other ships. It's really pretty easy. Yeah lots of backup is helpful to ensure that a 98% performer is turned into a 100% performer, but if the OOD is not operating at 98% the rest doesn't matter.

I suspect that the problem is failure to focus on the essentials. I'll bet JOs are spending a lot less time in navigation trainers and tactical trainers and a lot more time on social engineering training and safety admin training.

232 posted on 08/20/2017 9:25:56 PM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: Enchante

[ There were 10 sailors missing and five injured, the Navy said. ]

Aw, crud.

Prayers up!


233 posted on 08/20/2017 9:26:23 PM PDT by SaveFerris (Luke 17:28 ... as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold ....)
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To: Travis McGee
This is what the McCain couldn't get away from
234 posted on 08/20/2017 9:28:59 PM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: apocalypto

NO...his father.


235 posted on 08/20/2017 9:29:00 PM PDT by Churchillspirit (9/11/2001 and 9/11/2012: NEVER FORGET.)
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To: TXnMA

actually the collision took place about an hour and a half before sunrise. The 06:30 time is Japan Standard time. Singapore is one hour later than JST.
The collision occurred around 05:30 Singapore time. Sunrise was about 07:00 Singapore time.


236 posted on 08/20/2017 9:30:53 PM PDT by Bull Snipe
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To: Nextrush; ExTexasRedhead

“After the previous incident involving a warship off Japan this sends a bad message and raises plenty of questions.”

Yes it does, and they are about leadership and training. We need some new Admirals who are more interested in the Navy’s mission than in providing government-paid addadicktomies for their gay recruits.


237 posted on 08/20/2017 9:31:55 PM PDT by vette6387
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To: mbrfl
The only bizarre direction change was by the USS Fitzgerald, which was to the port of ACX Crystal. Despite this, Fitzgerald made a 100 turn toward Crystal's port light (There's a reason port lights are red), crossing the bow of Crystal.

All the direction changes made by Crystal were after the 1;30 collision.

238 posted on 08/20/2017 9:32:59 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Winter is coming)
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To: Bull Snipe

My mistake Singapore is one hour earlier than JST.


239 posted on 08/20/2017 9:34:39 PM PDT by Bull Snipe
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To: Grampa Dave; rlmorel
The Alnic MC -- another bulbous-bowed ship -- running light -- as shown here:

-- based on the size and elevation of the damage shown on the McCain...

240 posted on 08/20/2017 9:34:41 PM PDT by TXnMA (Remember the Alamo! Remember Goliad! Treat George P. Bush like Santa Ana at San Jacinto!!!)
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