Posted on 08/09/2017 9:30:30 AM PDT by Kaslin
Have a gun license? Plan to bring your gun to my hometown? Don't.
Mean New York authorities will make your life miserable.
Patricia Jordan and her daughter flew here from her home state of Georgia. She wanted her gun nearby for protection.
Jordan obeyed all the Transportation Security Administration's rules: She put her gun in a locked TSA-approved case with its bullets separate. She informed the airline that she had a gun. The airline had no problem with that.
In New York City, she kept the gun locked in her hotel room. She never needed it, but her daughter told me, "I was glad she brought it just in case something did happen."
When leaving the city, Jordan followed the TSA's rules again. At the airline counter, she again told the agent she wanted to check her gun. But this time, she was told: "Wait."
"Next thing I know, they're getting ready to arrest me," she said.
Her daughter was crying, "Please don't arrest my mom!" But New York City cops arrested her, jailed her and told her she was guilty of a felony that mandates a minimum 3 1/2 years in jail.
Jordan's ordeal is not unique. Roughly once a week, New York City locks up people for carrying guns legally licensed by other states.
Another Georgia visitor, Avi Wolf, was jailed although he didn't even have a gun. He just had part of a gun -- an empty magazine -- a little plastic box with a small metal spring. He brought it to the city because it wasn't working well and he thought a New York friend might repair it. He couldn't believe he was being arrested.
"Somebody could've done more damage to an individual with a fork from McDonald's," Wolf told me.
Wolf, too, checked with the TSA beforehand. They said, just declare it to TSA agents. So he did.
"I'm telling them ... I have a magazine here. It's empty, no bullets ... Next thing I know they're pulling me over to the side, they're like, 'Do you know what you have in your bag?!' 'I know what I have in my bag, I told you what I have in my bag.'"
Following TSA instructions didn't do Wolf any good. "Fast forward about an hour and it was four Port Authority police there. The chief of LaGuardia airport is there, [as if] they thought they found somebody trying to do 9/11 repeat," he says.
"They asked me if I had a gun license. Of course I had a license. I'm from Georgia, and everybody there's got a gun license. And they're like, well, sir, you're going to be getting arrested now."
Wolf and Jordan spent less than a day in jail, but each had to pay lawyers $15,000 to bargain the felony charge down to "public disorder."
"We are not going to apologize for enforcing our gun laws," said Assistant District Attorney Jack Ryan when I confronted him about these pointless and cruel arrests. He said New York City enforces laws as "humanely and as compassionately as we can."
But the system is neither fair nor humane.
Patricia Jordan kept her bullets separate from her gun, as TSA regulations require.
"The officer could not even find my bullets in my suitcase. I had to show him where they were," she told me.
That didn't matter, said the DA, because the gun and bullets were in the same suitcase.
"Under New York law, if they're together, they're loaded," says Ryan.
"They're loaded even if they're not loaded?!" I asked. Yes, he said.
I called him a sadistic bully (the full video is at JohnStossel.com). He replied that New York City must make sure people are "not threats."
New York claims this keeps us safe. But people like Jordan and Wolf actually make us safer. Texas data shows licensed gun owners are seven times less likely to murder someone than a nonlicensed person. They also prevent some crimes. Nationwide, crime has dropped as the percentage of people with concealed handgun permits has risen.
Licensed gun owners aren't the problem. Crazy laws and callous prosecution are.
Exactly, because they don’t care. Gun-laws are obviously not for them.
I feel sorry for someone from GA that goes to NYC. Why put yourself through that pain?
NYC holds no allure for me. My “I don’t like NYC because...” list is long.
I much prefer living here in SC where everybody and his brother has a gun(s). Lots of folks have concealed carry licenses also.
You’ve heard that saying, “A gun behind every blade of grass.” In SC, it’s “At least one gun behind every blade of grass.” :)
One woman had the outline of a gun on her purse, I’m not sure if embossed or a metal outline of one. Guess what?
No - she researched how to properly transport a gun on a plane NOT the (pretty well known) New York anti-gun laws. That’s why she got nailed on her way back home when she tried to check in the guns in NY. And I agree the NY laws are wrong and unconstitutional but I’m not dumb enough to risk going to jail before the courts straighten things out. You are welcome to though.
The bag was pulled from bag check? If you declare what you have should not have been a problem. I have a metal box in my checked baggage with my personal weapon (unloaded) and ammunition in a separate locked metal box. It’s declared on check-in and I’ve never had a problem.
I agree with you and moreover, the guarantee of a republican form of government should in and of itself be enough to make the US Constitution a MINIMUM standard of recognition for God-given liberties. That’s not enough for your average attorney, for whom the US Constitution was never intended to be understood or interpreted by a layman. We need the SCOTUS to somehow define our liberties for us?? This is why Congress needs to pass universal reciprocity, with federal remedies for violations by public officials. I would love to see NYC forced to recognize Constitutional carry by a citizen of Arizona.
Hard to believe that my older Brother was in his School’s Gun Club and used to carry his .22 Rifle to School when we lived on Long Island back in the late 50’s. Nobody batted an eye.
Even harder to believe that I used to drive around Southern CA in my 4x4 Ford Pickup with my two Rifles in the Gun Rack.
Again, nobody batted an eye.
The America I grew up in long gone. Hopefully I’ll be six feet under before the Republic goes belly up, which it will sooner or later.
A Republic if you can keep it. Well...
>>>I would love to see NYC forced to recognize Constitutional carry by a citizen of Arizona<<<
States that allow reciprocity only do so if you have a Conceal Carry License in your Home State. They do not recognize Constitutional Carry Laws in other States.
Why would anybody want to visit the chithole known as NY?
Have a smaller one? Only half the sign is showing.
The NRA, GOA, etc. collect a lot of member money. I would expect to see them in the forefront of challenges to such abuses. Where are they?
ANY licensing or permit law is an infringement in itself.
NYC has always had strict gun laws.
Gun Permits issued by the state are not valid in NYC, even back in the 1960s that was true.
B-B air guns are illegal in NYC, same for decades.
It was always that way.
Congress could pass a law....no, never mind.
>>>ANY licensing or permit law is an infringement in itself.<<<
Don’t disagree, HOWEVER....
I was responding the OP’s statement.
Go back and read his Post.
They thought the metal arms of the star were "dangerous", and could be used as a "weapon".
This is from CNN, before it was VFNN:
Asst DA Jack Ryan is a worthless Nazi bastard. But what can we do about it?
We live in insane times.
Yeah, well, I don’t care to go to NY, much less run afoul of their stupid laws. It’s a shame it cost her $15k to do it. I hope she can sue them and get most of it back.
Yet I am glad there are those like her out there that will push back on the stupidity and drag them into the light of day for all to see.
I also detest their double standard. Wasn’t it David Gregory who waved the “high capacity magazine” around on a TV set? Illegal to possess there, but he skated, didn’t he, despite rather compelling proof of his “crime”?
And there's the trouble with attending any event in DC. Who knows how many jurisdictions I'd have to pass through, besides DC itself, who would want to arrest me. And I ain't leaving it home.
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