Flake extends his attacks on Trump and the GOP — all the way back to the dawn of birtherism

WaPo ^ | August 6, 2017 | Avi Selk

[Seizethecarp]

But Sunday, as he promoted his book on NBC’s “Meet the Press,” Flake took his assault on Trumpism back years further — all the way to the pre-dawn of Trump’s political rise, to “when the birtherism thing was going on,” as Flake put it to host Chuck Todd.

“Some people did stand up, but not enough,” the senator said. “That was particularly ugly.”

“Did you do enough?” Todd asked.

Flake smiled. “On that, I think I did.”

Flake was a congressman in 2011, when Trump flirted with a presidential run against President Barack Obama.

The current president did so “spouting all sorts of Four-Pinocchio innuendo that had long ago been debunked,” as The Washington Post wrote at the time.

Trump wrote a letter to the editor in the New York Times, for example, advancing a host of bogus evidence against Obama’s birth in the United States and, thus, his legitimacy to occupy the White House.

[SaveFerris]

Oh I liked the $100 bill thing with the expensive fluid to wash off the currency.

[Fantasywriter]

My personal theory. Seth Rich’s parents are not Mensa. They have been persuaded that believing anything remotely connected to a ‘conspiracy,’ would make them look stupid, and have their neighbors laughing at them. They believed it. So even though they are basically honest and loved Seth vastly, they are afraid to question the official narrative.

Jmo.

[rx]

How ridiculous you are!

You haven't landed any ideas, evidence or proof against the fact that the multitude of cuts on the barge-shown Fuddy engine were the result of anything other than human intervention, in complete contravention to what the NTSB falsely and corruptly concluded. Let's not forget: that august agency even falsified the evidence for this hoax event. You might as well consider it your responsibility to counter that if you expect to get anywhere in countering what "The Fuddy Hoax" has uncovered.

That's the central point, fallacy and problem. Nothing you've shown about a Cessna 208 crash in Canada can begin to undo that supremely important evidence concerning a different airplane and type entirely.

Though the NTSB falsely claimed otherwise, the engine was separated from the firewall by means of a multitude of human-initiated cuts.

Your images were labeled that your crash's plane was a Cessna 208 and now you wish to change your story that it was a 208B. Fail. Did you just not know that those are different planes? And yet you want to gainsay the hard evidence with irrelevant comparisons while not even recognizing the first layer of your shorcomings! Your shifting story is heel-nipping that listens to nobody else's contrary evidence and just is not worth anyone's time.

[Fantasywriter]

+1

[Fred Nerks]

At 0.50 on the embedded video, the item we were looking for seems to appear, partly obscured, leaning against the damaged fuselage.

NSTB GETS FIRST LOOK AT SALVAGED AIRPLANE.link

PHOTO GALLERY LINK

[Fred Nerks]

At 0.50 on the embedded video, the item we were looking for seems to appear, partly obscured, leaning against the damaged fuselage.

NSTB GETS FIRST LOOK AT SALVAGED AIRPLANE.link

[Fred Nerks]

SORRY ABOUT THE DOUBLE..

[Fred Nerks]

for the record:

the interior, of what looks like laminated timber, is shown on its side, leaning against the fuselage between what appears to be part of the metal luggage pod and the aircraft itself.

And imo, there can only be ONE reason why the sky is green in one image, and a normal shade of blue in the Puentes image.

The image with the green tint has been CREATED specifically to disguise the interior of that item to enable it to be identified as a floatation device

[Fred Nerks]

IMAGES FROM COMMENT 229

We later see a diver transport momentarily appearing at the plane after all the occupants had swum about 85 yards southwest of it

and a different man-made inflatable at the engine, and a sequence of pictures that show, as they worked on the plane, the plane steadily rose out of the water.

That's the luggage pod interior being washed up against the aircraft fuselage by the wind and rough water, and the tip of the exhaust extractor, now partially free, rising over the engine cowling as the nose slowly sank, due to the weight of the engine...

[rx]

Of course you know it was not I that altered any image of which you might be speaking. 4Zoltan and others following along here are entirely adequately skilled with imagery to know that the images I've shown are unaltered originals (except possibly for cropping), just as supplied by the NTSB.

But gee, Fred, what kind of tremendously important reason do you supposed the NTSB would need to allow evidence in its care to be altered to:

"CREATE[ an]" "image with the green tint" "specifically to disguise the interior of that item to enable it to be identified as a floatation [sic] device?"

That's a pretty big charge you're making with that comment, don't you think?

(It's OK, I've made a very similar charge myself--with lots more corroborating evidence, by the way.)

But, since we've already seen that very agency alter (or allow to be altered) evidence in their exclusive care in a number of ways to cause things to be misidentified, how big of a step would it be for them to alter (or allow to be altered) just one more?

I'm sure you know the answer. (You just haven't admitted it yet.) Hint: It's the same answer which would allow the US Navy to let an intelligence agency have control of $2B+ of its military assets and manpower for a purely political purpose--to propagandize the electorate toward the election outcomes the Deep State desires. That's known as a coup. It's the very same animus and impetus we've seen them use to employ the NSA's Hammer, built by Dennis Montgomery, and to spy on the Trump entourage as soon as they considered DJT any kind of a potential threat.

Fred Nerds: what appears to be part of the metal luggage pod

Be advised, the baggage pod was not made of metal, but of composite fiberglass. As such, as I showed with pictures in posts #157 and #173, its insides were brown-tan while its outside was painted white. Thus, your claim about it being a "green tint" is for naught. As all can see in #248, if that's a portion of the baggage pod leaning up against the far side of the fuselage, it's clearly brown-tan in color.

Should one of our Navy SEALs ever need to testify, verifying that the SlipNSlide(R) in the top image of #249 is a modern SEAL transport, made unbalanced, likely by a private contractor, I'll be sure to bring up your differing opinion, which you claimed as your right. It might be worth a few chuckles then, as it already has been, noting it had to have been a contractor that would have gotten them all killed, had there been any real enemies around.

[Fred Nerks]

As all can see in #248, if that's a portion of the baggage pod leaning up against the far side of the fuselage, it's clearly brown-tan in color.

And that's the same object you can see being washed up against the fuselage in the Puentes images. With one difference. The Puentes images have a nice blue sky and blue water, and the examples you used have a green tint, which changes the colour of the item which you call a slip and slide.

Frankly, I don't know why you bother. It's obviously not working. Maybe if you produce the newly minted shape shifted cosmetically enhanced Fuddy, you'll convince me. Up until then, spending two billion dollars to get rid of one woman just doesn't do it for me. If there was hanky-panky involved, they were ALL meant to die.

Causes less suspicion, and is a whole lot cheaper.

[butterdezillion]

But you don’t get a pilot to fly a perfectly good plane into the water if they’re all meant to die.

The engine was running normally when it went into the water.

You can’t just wish away the facts that don’t fit your theory. There is no doubt - NONE - that this was a planned event. If anybody on that plane was meant to die then they are ALL accessories to murder. Every last cheerful one of them.

[rx]

the examples you used have a green tint

That's now the second time you've accused me of "us[ing]".."a green tint." After the first accusation, I said I made no such manipulation and told you how you could verify my claim. Now you're back accusing me falsely again, after apparently making no effort to verifying what I said. That's rude, incorrect, and shows poor argumentation skill.

You've wildly conjectured that the SlipNslide(R) changed colour, offering no evidence to substantiate your claim. I here below show two Puentes frames, both without and with the slip and slide. There has been no color manipulation of any kind.

Off to the left in the first image is the port rear baggage pod door and floor that we saw in posts #157 and #173. Everyone else will notice how the colour thereof differs greatly with the SlipNSlide in the lower picture, even though the colouring of the plane, nearby water and its surroundings are essentially the same. Those cannot, therefore, account for the wide colour difference seen between the baggage pod piece in the water and the SlipNSlide.

As to "why [I] bother," be assured it's not all about convincing you. You've already shown you're not interested in getting to the truth of the matter. You're just into seeding doubt, wasting people's time and wanting to marginalize the items under discussion. You're the one that has here introduced the idea of anyone "spending two billion dollars." Those with better reading comprehension skills have already noted that the only $2B mentioned previously was as a cost to have built the submarine, not an expenditure to "get rid of one woman." Yours is a clearly ridiculous summation, one of many we've seen from you in a thread-worn attempt to make your adversaries look kooky. We disown your flame-throwing, literary Molotov cocktails, such as "they were ALL meant to die" and your "newly minted shape shifted cosmetically enhanced Fuddy." Those are what's "obviously not working."

[jersey117]

Does Flake know obama’s own brother said he was born in kenya?

[jersey117]

Why doesn’t Chuck Todd invite Hussein brother on the show?

[rx]

Yeah, I hear the pilot has done pretty well "for himself" since the crash--for example, buying a house in Honolulu's Iroquois Point neighborhood, where all the CEOs, estate trustees, lawyers and doctors live.

Professional pilots I know see all things the Fuddy crash pilot said and did without getting any push-back from the NTSB, nor any certificate action from the FAA. They say, "It stinks to high heaven (of corruption and a hoax)."

Meanwhile, Butterdezillion and her family have had to face every manner of medical bill, even many she had to forgo because of their expense. I sure hope the sock-puppets and their mistress will be prepared to answer to our Lord when our respective times are up, 'cuz just like my tagline says, "Truth Will Out!"

[xzins]

Birtherism doesn’t motivate republican voters, so flake is posturing on an issue republicans don’t care about or think he’s wrong on.

This guy is very beatable

[Seizethecarp]

“Does Flake know obama’s own brother said he was born in kenya?”

I’m not sure that is exactly correct. It you have a link I would welcome it. What I remember is that Malik tweeted a picture of himself holding a certain controversial BC image with a caption “What’s this?”

Malik is not a reliable witness to anything, in my opinion, and has shown repeatedly he can be bought by just about anybody.

[rx]

I can reasonably call everyone's attention to the linear video time-stamp difference between the two video frames of post #253. The first (left or upper) frame was recorded at 8:11 and the second (right, or lower) at 7:43 (thus the second one came first). That's ostensibly a mere 28 seconds between the two. Yet, look how far the clouds above the tail have moved (camera faces NE, cloud movement west-to-east). They're a good bit larger in the 28-seconds-later frame, too. How could that be?

We can track many distinctive clouds throughout the scenario, so let me say those clouds do not move particularly fast, except at certain junctures, where they show they've moved "very fast." That reminds me of something my mother told me when I was a teenager. She said, "Babies take 9 months to get here. Except a couple's first baby; sometimes those take just a few months." If you get my mother's and the clouds' drift, there's clearly been video cut out between these frames, despite Puentes' misleading claims of having "just kept on rolling."

Ok, I do believe he kept on rolling throughout. The NTSB simply did by no means distribute all the video Puentes took.

[rx]

Oops, I called that cloud movement exactly backwards. It should have said, “east-to-west.”