Posted on 07/31/2017 2:39:22 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer
The people behind California’s latest effort to leave the United States are confident this time and are preparing to fan out across the Golden State to collect signatures for a 2018 ballot initiative
It would repeal a provision of the California Constitution stating that the state is “an inseparable part of the United States...up to and including agreement establishing California as a fully independent country,” the ballot language reads.
“We feel like this current initiative is more feasible and will hold up more to scrutiny and legal challenges,” said Steve Gonzales, a member of the group California Freedom Coalition. A first attempt fizzled and was withdrawn.
California’s economy comprises nearly one-seventh of the nation’s total economic output, the analysis found.
The U.S. Supreme Court has ruled it unconstitutional for states to unilaterally secede from the U.S., and any move allowing secession would require an amendment to the U.S. Constitution.
(Excerpt) Read more at sacbee.com ...
Take their damned Bee newspapers with them.
It’ll be an interesting few minutes when one of these @holes comes to my door!
The entire region from Butte County north will separate from Cali and remain in the union.. with the water. This will not end well for the CalExiters.
Can people in other states help them along with petitions indicating glad to see them go???
gonzalez could collect 1000000 times more Cal-Exit campaign funds in the other 56 states
As satisfying for all to have Calexit occur, it wont.
I just won’t. The USA and California are too inextricably linked.
It isn’t like Britain, which was independent and was part of the EU briefly. California started as part of the USA and will remain so.
Pretty much forever.
Nobody was going to let them go period.
It was a nonstarter to begin with and the Democrat parties’ desire for a racist slave empire cost the country almost 700,000 deaths and in dollars and cents, the U.S. government estimated in Jan. 1863 that the war was costing $2.5 million daily. A final official estimate in 1879 totaled $6,190,000,000. The Confederacy spent perhaps $2,099,808,707. That is approximately $226,395,504,868.00 in today’s money.
So much for the large percentage of federal taxes collected in the South. The entire Federal Budget in 1860 was only $170 million. That would have funded less than three months of expenses in the Civil War.
There was simply no way that the industrial North would allow the Southern half of a continental country just walk away.
Careful what you ask for... I’m not sure we can allow it. A lot of me wants them to go and good riddance, but it wouldn’t be just California. It would also be Oregon, Washington, and Hawaii, and it would cut off the United States from the Pacific Ocean, and close Pearl Harbor, and... things not to be taken lightly.
Nah. Just break it up into pieces, make some pieces states and other pieces territories (the leftist sections), then purge all illegals. This way the leftist territories will have no say in our politics and the new conservative states will be red and good. I guess it’s too much to hope for to mandate liberals/leftists move to another country.
President Trump; we’re gonna need more walls.
Lincoln offered to Trade Virginia for Ft. Sumter. If Virginia would give him assurances they would remain in the Union, he would order the evacuation of Sumter. Those assurances came too late for him to recall the War Fleet he had already sent to attack the confederates surrounding Sumter.
It was a nonstarter to begin with and the Democrat parties’ desire for a racist slave empire cost the country almost 700,000 deaths and in dollars and cents, the U.S. government estimated in Jan. 1863 that the war was costing $2.5 million daily.
I'm confused. Didn't the South have slavery while they were in the Union? Didn't Lincoln say he would support the Corwin Amendment that would make slavery virtually permanent in the Union?
So how much would it have cost if the South's existing "slave empire" had remained part of the Union?
So much for the large percentage of federal taxes collected in the South. The entire Federal Budget in 1860 was only $170 million. That would have funded less than three months of expenses in the Civil War.
So it was rather insane to launch a horribly expensive war just to keep people under your control? So why did Lincoln do it? Probably because they didn't think it would be so bad when it began.
There was simply no way that the industrial North would allow the Southern half of a continental country just walk away.
And why was that? What was it to them if other people didn't want the "benefits" of being part of their Government?
It isn’t like Britain, which was independent and was part of the EU briefly. California started as part of the USA and will remain so.
Pretty much forever.
I agree about their chances for independence, but there are people who'd disagree with you about the history.
Don't forget what it says on the flag:
If California secedes, and does all of the things that you say, then you treat them as a hostile country, invade, remove their leadership, and station troops there for 70 years like we did in Germany and Japan.
Could work out nicely. ;-)
california may have started as part of the USA, but the USA definitely started without california.
More importantly, the USA started, grew, and thrived without california.
Thus, as a historical fact, the USA did not need california, so the USA does not always need california forever.
Millions of Mexicans will flow in and vote to leave the US and join Mexico ,LOL
LOL. I’m sure they’ll be happy to be taxed at least 75%. :D
So this means the United States might NOT host the 2024 Olympics ...
They’re not, it’s 2028.
In truth what would that be? We have plenty of laws to cover political misbehavior but in my lifetime they have not been enforced against politicians or the favored rich.
The conservatives in California should join and vote this in - I seriously doubt it could be binding and would make the leftists a laughing stock...but if it could go through and be binding, then the conservative counties could request instatement as a new state. Go for it, folks.
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