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Say Goodbye To X+Y: Should Community Colleges Abolish Algebra?
NPR ^ | July 19, 2017 | Kayla Lattimore and Julie Depenbrock

Posted on 07/21/2017 5:12:11 AM PDT by C19fan

Algebra is one of the biggest hurdles to getting a high school or college degree — particularly for students of color and first-generation undergrads.

It is also the single most failed course in community colleges across the country. So if you're not a STEM major (science, technology, engineering, math), why even study algebra?

(Excerpt) Read more at npr.org ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: California
KEYWORDS: algebra; college; communitycollege; highereducation; immigrants; math; matheducation; race
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To: Nifster

‘Algebra is one of the few things most people use through out their lives.’

really...? care to elucidate...?


101 posted on 07/21/2017 6:13:20 AM PDT by IrishBrigade
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To: Aevery_Freeman; mazda77
Arithmetic verses maths.

Two different subjects, where I did not understand that being great at arithmetic did not mean I truly understood math, until I was much older.

In Texas, the UIL Number Sense competition (mental arithmetic) used in public schools kept me way above average for all things arithmetic, and does til this day.

In college, taking analytical geometry as a freshman was a breeze - for two months. Then I understood that while I could find the approximate answer, I really did not understand how to derive the answer.

I am of the opinion that we should use a Kumon math styled system and not let anyone progress until they have conquered arithmetic and basic math.

Saxon math kept our children way ahead of the curve using the same principles.

The problem starts at the home before they ever start school and poisons young minds before they ever have a chance to succeed.

102 posted on 07/21/2017 6:14:25 AM PDT by texas booster (Join FreeRepublic's Folding@Home team (Team # 36120) Cure Alzheimer's!)
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To: DuncanWaring

You must be one of the nice engineers here. My dad was an engineer and my math tutor. Poor guy!


103 posted on 07/21/2017 6:15:06 AM PDT by miss marmelstein
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To: Lou L

That was a tough one, I agree. I had a big, burly Russian professor, with a thick accent that taught my linear algebra class, too. I eked out of there with a C+. I thought calculus was significantly easier.

...

As someone who took a lot of math classes, the teacher/professor can make all the difference. I had a German professor who really knew his stuff, and had an easy going personality. He made advanced calculus a breeze. He also taught the first half of differential equations and made that easy, too. The second half was taught by a professor from Edinburgh who never faced the class. That was a struggle.

The real geniuses at math, love it and are mostly self taught. I was good at math, but didn’t love it that much.


104 posted on 07/21/2017 6:15:37 AM PDT by Moonman62 (Make America Great Again!)
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To: Trump20162020

Algebra was invented by Hindus.

Benighted Europe learned it via the Islamic world.


105 posted on 07/21/2017 6:17:44 AM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: wintertime

“Many can not read a ruler.”

My son told a story of a kid in his college class that had blank dial watch—just the hands with no numbers.

Another kid asked him how could you tell the time without the numbers.


106 posted on 07/21/2017 6:18:29 AM PDT by Rebelbase (Climate Change: The Imminent Crisis That Never Arrives and the gravy train that never ends.)
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To: C19fan
The book, the Bell Curve, wasn't wrong, and these idiots admit it. According to the book, which was an large study of IQ and the causes and uses of it, stated clearly that the average black was severely retarded with an 65-85 IQ.


107 posted on 07/21/2017 6:18:30 AM PDT by CodeToad (If it weren't for physics and law enforcement, I'd be unstoppable!)
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To: C19fan

Math related subjects were my easiest in school. Math related subjects didn’t require memorizing names, dates and places. Math related subjects required memorizing ‘how to’ solve problems. My most helpful teacher actually did hardly any lecturing. He would just tell us try to solve the next question in the back of the chapter we were on. It taught me how to research and solve problems on our own. As a result, I had a very successful and enjoyable career in engineering by solving problems that others gave up on. I was even solving problems that the people I worked for didn’t even know existed.


108 posted on 07/21/2017 6:18:31 AM PDT by chopperman
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To: mykroar
couldn’t get past imaginary numbers

Nobody actually does.

i squared = −1 or i*i = -1

Yup, it looks a bit crazy.

109 posted on 07/21/2017 6:18:34 AM PDT by Bobalu ( Healthcare - someone must pay. Who should it be, and how did they get that obligation?)
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To: C19fan

Non STEM majors need high level math all the time, they just don’t know it. Just look at the sheep that believe in the Global Warming religion. Even some STEM majors do, but it’s probably that their religious beliefs in Gaya override their logic. It’s important to give ALL educated citizens the tools to make logical decisions.


110 posted on 07/21/2017 6:18:43 AM PDT by norwaypinesavage (The stone age didn't end because we ran out of stones.)
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To: DuncanWaring

Completely agree.


111 posted on 07/21/2017 6:19:45 AM PDT by CodeToad (If it weren't for physics and law enforcement, I'd be unstoppable!)
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To: Political Junkie Too

“Today’s cash registers already do this for them. In fact, they don’t even have to read anymore, just push the button with the picture of the food on it.”

And their greatest crisis of the day is making change when you give them change so you get only paper money back.


112 posted on 07/21/2017 6:21:05 AM PDT by Rebelbase (Climate Change: The Imminent Crisis That Never Arrives and the gravy train that never ends.)
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To: IrishBrigade

Your car has half a tank of gas. A full tank is 22 gallons. Your car gets 20 MPG. How far can you drive until you run out?


113 posted on 07/21/2017 6:21:39 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Joe 6-pack
This ought to be good. Just about any time the question is raised as to the contributions of Arabic culture to the world, libs will sputter, "They gave us algebra!"

I would answer that Arab scholars did give us algebra - and if it wasn't for their scholarly tradition subsequently being plowed under by Islam they might have landed on the moon by the 1200's. :)

114 posted on 07/21/2017 6:22:42 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ([CTRL]-[GALT]-[DELETE])
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To: Right Brother
"...particularly for students of color and first-generation undergrads. I guess when NPR states this, it's not racist."

That's because (A) NPR is leftist and can't be racist.

(B) when you refer to "persons of color" it isn't racist, unlike saying "colored people."

115 posted on 07/21/2017 6:23:44 AM PDT by bk1000 (A clear conscience is a sure sign of a poor memory)
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To: Mr. K
I am often amused at the way liberals, in their defense of their minority voting bloc, always manage to denigrate the intelligence and abilities of said constituents. They cannot be expected to learn algebra, or Shakespeare's plays, or get a proper I.D. for voting because the poor dears just aren't smart enough. Their view is very much like that of Scarlett O'Hara's father in Gone With the Wind:


"I've been talking to Prissy and Mammy and I don't like the way you are treating them. You must be firm with inferiors, but you must be gentle with them - especially darkies."

116 posted on 07/21/2017 6:24:12 AM PDT by Sans-Culotte (Time to get the US out of the UN and the UN out of the US!)
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To: C19fan

Is the authors of this piece arguing minorities are stupid? Because it certainly seems that way to me.


117 posted on 07/21/2017 6:24:28 AM PDT by rb22982
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To: jeffc
I use algebra constantly: in the grocery store, to get the best cost per item. (I don't trust the signs, you would be surprised how often they are wrong.) Often 4 six packs are cheaper than a 24 pack. How much does a 12 oz package of bacon costs per pound. Compare the prices for 1.5 quart and 1.75 quart ice cream boxes.

What I can't stand are these lazy idiots who don't want to learn math and then later can't figure out why they can't make their balloon mortgage payment or they are 60 thousand dollars in credit card debt. (Hint: the minimum payment isn't enough)

118 posted on 07/21/2017 6:25:02 AM PDT by sportutegrl
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To: Lmo56

Nice way to ruin a beautiful morning.


119 posted on 07/21/2017 6:25:18 AM PDT by Rebelbase (Climate Change: The Imminent Crisis That Never Arrives and the gravy train that never ends.)
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To: central_va

whatever happened to him?


120 posted on 07/21/2017 6:25:20 AM PDT by Mr. K (***THERE IS NO CONSEQUENCE OF REPEALING OBAMACARE THAT IS WORSE THAN OBAMACARE ITSELF***)
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