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Nukes Threaten People; Ideas Threaten Civilizations
Townhall.com ^ | July 18, 2017 | Dennis Prager

Posted on 07/18/2017 4:17:33 AM PDT by Kaslin

Last week, I tweeted, "The news media in the West pose a far greater danger to Western civilization than Russia does."

To my surprise, the tweet went viral. And while there were more likes than dislikes, 99 percent of the written reactions were negative.

Typical reactions were:

--"F--- you."

--"Move to Russia."

--"Your very full diapers pose a very great danger, please change them." That received 1,880 likes.

--"I've wiped s--- off my shoes more trustworthy and patriotic than your sorry a--." That received 606 likes.

You get the idea.

But it wasn't the ad hominem insults that I found troubling. What was troubling was the low state of logical thinking that so many responses reflected. This was exemplified by their reminding me how important a free press is to democracy (as if attacking the behavior of the media were the same as denying the need for a free press); their asking how many nukes the media have compared with Russia (as if a threat to lives were the same as a threat to a civilization); and their thinking that my tweet was about President Donald Trump (he was never mentioned, and the words were just as true when Barack Obama was president).

My tweet was about the Western left undoing Western civilization. My one regret is that I did not mention universities along with the media.

The tweet had nothing to do with the existence of a free press. Attacking what the media is doing is not the same as attacking the existence of the media -- any more than attacking Trump is attacking the existence of the presidency.

With regard to Russia having more nukes than the media, those who noted this fact so missed the entire point of the tweet that it is almost breathtaking. When one speaks about dangers to a civilization, one is speaking ideologically, not physically. Of course, if Russia were to unleash its nuclear weapons against the West, it would kill vast numbers of Westerners. However, that would no more mean the end of Western civilization than the Holocaust meant the end of Jewish civilization. Civilization connotes a body of ideas and a value system.

Furthermore, a Russian nuclear attack threatening the West's physical existence is an utterly remote possibility. Russian leaders, just as Soviet leaders before them, fear what is known as MAD (mutually assured destruction).

The real nuclear threat comes from North Korea and, above all, Iran, which constantly announces its intent to exterminate Israel. But while The New York Times cannot stop writing about the threat Russian President Vladimir Putin poses, it accuses Trump of "demonizing" Iran.

The real threat to Western civilization is Western civilization ceasing to believe in itself. And, in that regard, Russia poses no danger, while the left-wing-dominated media and universities pose an existential threat.

That's why the most depressing of the negative reactions were those from people calling themselves conservatives. If conservatism isn't about conserving Western civilization first and foremost, what is it about?

Students in college have voted the American flag off their campus. Where did these students learn their unprecedented contempt for America and patriotism, if not from their schools and the media?

European countries continue to welcome in millions of Muslims, adding to the tens of millions of Muslims already in Europe -- many of whom, if not most, have no interest in adopting Europe's values. Do the critics of my tweet conclude nothing about the left's role -- meaning the role of Western media and academia -- in promoting multiculturalism, the doctrine that holds that no cultural, religious or value system is superior to any other?

At the University of Pennsylvania, its left-wing English department has removed its long-standing portrait of Shakespeare because he was white and male. Is that not a direct hit on Western civilization?

The left-wing prime minister of Canada has proudly announced, "There is no core identity, no mainstream in Canada," and that Canada is "the first postnational state."

What produced him? Putin?

Is it Putin who is removing American flags from American campuses?

Is Putin destroying the notion of male and female?

Has Putin convinced half of America's millennials that socialism is preferable to capitalism?

Did Putin convince Pope Francis that Islamic terrorists are no more of a threat to Europe than baptized Catholics who kill their girlfriends?

Is Putin the reason Oxford University students voted that Israel is a greater threat to peace than Hamas?

Putin is indeed a murderous quasi dictator. But all this contempt for Western civilization comes from the Western media and the Western universities.

The smoking gun was provided just two weeks ago in the media's reactions to President Trump's speech in Warsaw, Poland, in which he called for protecting Western civilization. Virtually the entire Western media said it was a call to protect white racism -- because the media deem Western civilization to be nothing more than a euphemism for white supremacy.

That's what my tweet was about.


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1 posted on 07/18/2017 4:17:33 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

Leftists loved the Marxist Russia.

Leftists hate the white Christian no ‘gay pride’ parades allowed Russia.

Speaks volumes.

Putin is a thug, but real threat are the globalists and leftists that’ll have us conquered by Islam in 50 years. Then the first to be killed? Jews and homosexuals. Followed by the Christians.

An invasion of Europe is underway without a shot being fired and the West seem unwilling or unable to fight for its future.

God allowed Israel of old to be conquered after it turned its back on God. So to will be the path for the West and any nation that rejects God.


2 posted on 07/18/2017 4:33:03 AM PDT by TigerClaws
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To: Kaslin

Those media bots do get angry when the truth is told ....


3 posted on 07/18/2017 4:36:38 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (There is no difference between liberals/moslems/lamestream)
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To: Kaslin

I do not think that illegal plunder, such as theft or swindling — which the penal code defines, anticipates, and punishes — can be called socialism. It is not this kind of plunder that systematically threatens the foundations of society. Anyway, the war against this kind of plunder has not waited for the command of these gentlemen. The war against illegal plunder has been fought since the beginning of the world. Long before the Revolution of February 1848 — long before the appearance even of socialism itself — France had provided police, judges, gendarmes, prisons, dungeons, and scaffolds for the purpose of fighting illegal plunder. The law itself conducts this war, and it is my wish and opinion that the law should always maintain this attitude toward plunder.

The Law Defends Plunder

But it does not always do this. Sometimes the law defends plunder and participates in it. Thus the beneficiaries are spared the shame, danger, and scruple which their acts would otherwise involve. Sometimes the law places the whole apparatus of judges, police, prisons, and gendarmes at the service of the plunderers, and treats the victim — when he defends himself — as a criminal. In short, there is a legal plunder, and it is of this, no doubt, that Mr. de Montalembert speaks.

This legal plunder may be only an isolated stain among the legislative measures of the people. If so, it is best to wipe it out with a minimum of speeches and denunciations — and in spite of the uproar of the vested interests.

How to Identify Legal Plunder

But how is this legal plunder to be identified? Quite simply. See if the law takes from some persons what belongs to them, and gives it to other persons to whom it does not belong. See if the law benefits one citizen at the expense of another by doing what the citizen himself cannot do without committing a crime.

Then abolish this law without delay, for it is not only an evil itself, but also it is a fertile source for further evils because it invites reprisals. If such a law — which may be an isolated case — is not abolished immediately, it will spread, multiply, and develop into a system.

Frederic Bastiat - “The Law”

http://bastiat.org/en/the_law.html

“Socialism Is Legal Plunder” - Bastiat

http://www.usdebtclock.org


4 posted on 07/18/2017 4:37:33 AM PDT by PGalt
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To: no-to-illegals

Yes, on ANY topic, not just Russia, about which there are a number of hystericals here at FR...


5 posted on 07/18/2017 4:47:52 AM PDT by logi_cal869 (-cynicus-)
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To: no-to-illegals

They do because they don’t like to hear the truth.


6 posted on 07/18/2017 4:50:30 AM PDT by Kaslin (Civilibus nati sunt; sunt excernitur - Politicians are not born; they are excreted. (Cicero)
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To: Kaslin

There are a lot of Freepers with tremendous hatred of Putin.

Hey, I don’t like him. I don’t think he’s a good guy. I don’t think he’s our friend.

But Putin is pretty insignificant in the big scheme. As Prager points out, the forces inside the USA are killing the USA. Putin doesn’t have to do a thing.


7 posted on 07/18/2017 5:00:10 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Islam: You have to just love a "religion" based on rape and sex slavery.)
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To: Kaslin

It’s a little tiresome that Mr. Prager thinks he tweeted something really brilliant and self-evident, as opposed to a meaningless bumper-sticker line.

The article headline does the same: it’s supposed to generate a response of, “Yeah, that’s right!” However, a thinking person with some knowledge of history could say, “Wait a minute! Weapons destroy civilizations, too! The civilization of the Hittites? It’s toast. Civilization of the Inca? Cool ruins!”


8 posted on 07/18/2017 5:15:44 AM PDT by Tax-chick ("Everybody loves to talk about 'values' because there is no math involved.")
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To: TigerClaws

The first to be killed in the new caliphate will not be Jews and queers. It will be leftists and intellectuals, the useful idiots of Stalin’s revolution. Because they have not an inkling of the reality of Islam, liberals will not be able to tolerate its extreme cultural, religious, and intellectual chauvinism.
Just as in Russia under communist thuggery, those who campaigned most passionately for this wonderful Utopia will be the first to be exterminated by the mafia they demanded.
Or, perhaps not. The subservient submission required of infidels by taqiyya may be just the ticket for liberal immorals.


9 posted on 07/18/2017 5:16:34 AM PDT by Louis Foxwell (Progressivism is 2 year olds in a poop fight.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

+1. Putin is on the sideline passing out Gatorade to the contestants.


10 posted on 07/18/2017 5:18:32 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Not my circus. Not my monkeys.)
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To: Kaslin
Has Putin convinced half of America's millennials that socialism is preferable to capitalism?

No, but his predecessors and mentors in the KGB and its earlier incarnations played a big role.

Re: Yuri Bezmenov and Ion Mihail Pacepa, among others.

11 posted on 07/18/2017 5:24:05 AM PDT by bassmaner (Hey commies: I am a' white male, and I am guilty of NOTHING! Sell your 'white guilt' elsewhere.)
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To: Louis Foxwell

Point taken. Kill the ‘useful idiots’ first.

The ‘crisis’ of mass invasion (migration) from Muslims countries was planned and orchestrated to destabilize Europe just as mass illegal immigration is being used in the U.S. as a political weapon to alter demographics and give Leftists a permanent majority.

Leftists work to keep integration into society from happening. They have to maintain identity politics so groups are taught they are separate, victims, and the West is evil. A permanent malcontent welfare class is created that’ll vote for Leftists no matter the hell holes doing so creates.

The globalists are okay with the West collapsing. Like George Clooney leaving London for ‘security concerns’ (read: Muslim invasion might threaten my rich white a**), they believe they’ll be immune from the invasion. Most are non-breeding (like Marcon, the closet queer French leader) and have no stake in the future.

People keep seeing the symptoms - mass migration invasion, Obama, degradation of our culture - instead of the cause. Leftists have control of newspapers, TV, movies, and academia. That’s about all they need to have a death grip on the hearts and minds of the next generation.


12 posted on 07/18/2017 5:27:32 AM PDT by TigerClaws
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To: ClearCase_guy

Agree with you. Putin is a thug but he’s not the major threat.

What has caused instability and doubt about our Republic among many here and globally?

The Leftist media saying our election was hacked or stolen by Putin. The constant conspiracy drumbeat and not “normalizing” Trump is what’s caused problems.

MSM = America’s enemy and people are aware of it at this point.


13 posted on 07/18/2017 5:29:35 AM PDT by TigerClaws
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To: Kaslin

And, Christianity will be destroyed along with western civilization.


14 posted on 07/18/2017 5:48:18 AM PDT by Neoliberalnot (Marxism works well only with the uneducated and the unar)
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To: Tax-chick

“It’s a little tiresome that Mr. Prager thinks he tweeted something really brilliant and self-evident”

This article has NOTHING to do with what Prager thinks of his original tweet. NOTHING. God, did you even read it (this article)?!?!?

This article is all about discussing and countering the ridiculous hysterical reactions to his tweet from certain people, including some conservatives.

Like you, maybe??


15 posted on 07/18/2017 5:56:34 AM PDT by safeasthebanks ("The most rewarding part, was when he gave me my money!" - Dr. Nick)
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To: Kaslin
What was troubling was the low state of logical thinking that so many responses reflected. This was exemplified by their reminding me how important a free press is to democracy (as if attacking the behavior of the media were the same as denying the need for a free press) . . .

My one regret is that I did not mention universities along with the media.

The natural disposition is always to believe. It is acquired wisdom and experience only that teach incredulity, and they very seldom teach it enough. The wisest and most cautious of us all frequently gives credit to stories which he himself is afterwards both ashamed and astonished that he could possibly think of believing.

The man whom we believe is necessarily, in the things concerning which we believe him, our leader and director, and we look up to him with a certain degree of esteem and respect. But as from admiring other people we come to wish to be admired ourselves; so from being led and directed by other people we learn to wish to become ourselves leaders and directors. And as we cannot always be satisfied merely with being admired, unless we can at the same time persuade ourselves that we are in some degree really worthy of admiration; so we cannot always be satisfied merely with being believed, unless we are at the same time conscious that we are really worthy of belief. As the desire of praise and that of praise-worthiness, though very much a-kin, are yet distinct and separate desires; so the desire of being believed and that of being worthy of belief, though very much a-kin too, are equally distinct and separate desires.

The desire of being believed, the desire of persuading, of leading and directing other people, seems to be one of the strongest of all our natural desires. - Adam Smith, Theory of Moral Sentiments (1759)

There are two paths to convincing yourself that you are worthy of being believed. You can dedicate your life to study and contemplation of the good and true, or you can become a cynic and reject the very idea of the good and true.
It is well if a large proportion of the leaders in any republic, in any democracy, are, as a matter of course, drawn from the classes represented in this audience to-day; but only provided that those classes possess the gifts of sympathy with plain people and of devotion to great ideals. You and those like you have received special advantages; you have all of you had the opportunity for mental training; many of you have had leisure; most of you have had a chance for enjoyment of life far greater than comes to the majority of your fellows. To you and your kind much has been given, and from you much should be expected. Yet there are certain failings against which it is especially incumbent that both men of trained and cultivated intellect, and men of inherited wealth and position should especially guard themselves, because to these failings they are especially liable; and if yielded to, their- your- chances of useful service are at an end. Let the man of learning, the man of lettered leisure, beware of that queer and cheap temptation to pose to himself and to others as a cynic, as the man who has outgrown emotions and beliefs, the man to whom good and evil are as one. The poorest way to face life is to face it with a sneer. There are many men who feel a kind of twister pride in cynicism; there are many who confine themselves to criticism of the way others do what they themselves dare not even attempt. There is no more unhealthy being, no man less worthy of respect, than he who either really holds, or feigns to hold, an attitude of sneering disbelief toward all that is great and lofty, whether in achievement or in that noble effort which, even if it fails, comes to second achievement. A cynical habit of thought and speech, a readiness to criticise work which the critic himself never tries to perform, an intellectual aloofness which will not accept contact with life's realities - all these are marks, not as the possessor would fain to think, of superiority but of weakness. They mark the men unfit to bear their part painfully in the stern strife of living, who seek, in the affection of contempt for the achievements of others, to hide from others and from themselves in their own weakness. The rôle is easy; there is none easier, save only the rôle of the man who sneers alike at both criticism and performance.

It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat.

Theodore Roosevelt's 1910 speech at the Sarbonne


16 posted on 07/18/2017 6:03:28 AM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (A press can be “associated,” or a press can be independent. Demand independent presses.)
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To: Kaslin

I agree with Prager that the universities and the mass media seem bent on destroying our culture and our civilizagtion.

But I think he overlooks the fact that Putin’s ideologcial henchmen are fully aligned with those malign influences.

To wit:

You’ll only need to watch Putin’s English-language propaganda outfit, RT, for a short time to see how it constantly touts an anti-American, anti-Western line that is virtually indistinguishable from the doctrines of Noam Chomsky, Oliver Stone and their fellow-traveling disciples.


17 posted on 07/18/2017 6:03:43 AM PDT by Hawthorn
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To: safeasthebanks

The article was partly about reactions to his tweet and partly about why he believes that what he tweeted is “true.” My comment was related to the latter content.


18 posted on 07/18/2017 7:50:11 AM PDT by Tax-chick ("Everybody loves to talk about 'values' because there is no math involved.")
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To: Kaslin

Dennis has been discussing this on his show today.


19 posted on 07/18/2017 10:17:45 AM PDT by EveningStar (I am a Non-Cultist Trump Supporter.)
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To: Kaslin
...how important a free and honest press is to democracy...

Currently dishonest and the propaganda arm of the Democrat party.

20 posted on 07/18/2017 10:30:01 AM PDT by JimRed ( TERM LIMITS, NOW! Building the Wall! TRUTH is the new HATE SPEECH.)
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