Posted on 06/21/2017 9:19:40 AM PDT by deplorableindc
Philando Castile did what you are supposed to do if you have a concealed-carry permit and get pulled over by police: He let the officer know he had a gun. Had Castile been less forthcoming, he would still be alive.
Last Friday a Minnesota jury acquitted the cop who killed Castile of second-degree manslaughter, demonstrating once again how hard it is to hold police accountable when they use unnecessary force. The verdict also sends a chilling message to gun owners, since Castile is dead because he exercised his constitutional right to keep and bear arms.
Jeronimo Yanez, an officer employed by the St. Anthony, Minnesota, police department, stopped Castile around 9 p.m. on July 6 in Falcon Heights, a suburb of Minneapolis and St. Paul. The official reason was a nonfunctioning brake light.
The actual reason, according to Yanez, was that Castile resembled a suspect in a convenience store robbery that had happened four days before in the same neighborhood. The full extent of the resemblance was that Castile, like the suspect, was black, wore glasses and dreadlocks, and had a "wide-set nose."
(Excerpt) Read more at reason.com ...
Castille's girlfriend's Facebook Livestream of the aftermath: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WkTURRuDZ0>/a>
imho both. lots of both.
You law and order cop suckers always expect citizens to be better trained and more compliant and disciplined than government agents.
Nice try.
Incorrect.
What else are you getting wrong?
Yeah, it’s almost like they think we are subjects, not citizens.
You know this how...?
One interesting link that makes the case Castile was a Crip:
If he was a Crip, all bets are off.
It is possible this was not a random stop, and the officer had a briefing before it he is not talking about. On the TV show FBI Files, FBI does get uniformed officers to do seemingly innocent stops on bad guys, to make them more compliant during arrest than they might be if the FBI swooped in with force to do the arrest openly. Stop them for not signaling, ask to search tem for officer safety, then put the cuffs on, and then tell them they are under arrest.
If this was supposed to be some sort of controlled arrest, and the officer was briefed that Castile was a bad guy, it could have affected his view of things as they unfolded too.
“There is no sign in that video that the dead guy was not complying with the officer.”
My original comments stand:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3562845/posts?page=5#5
Why do you leave out what Castille said?
position = possession
Please. If the officer had believed that he would not have simply walked up to the car. And if there were any evidence that he was a Crip, the defense would have brought it up at trial.
FWIW - Castile had apparently been stopped 52 times in recent years.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/07/09/stopped-52-times-by-police-was-it-racial-profiling.html
Right. I hate to say it, but the best way to sum up this tragedy would be, “What we have here, is a failure to communicate.”
“You law and order cop suckers always expect citizens to be better trained and more compliant and disciplined than government agents.”
I expect citizens - like the cops - to be responsible for their actions. Castile picked the wrong time to “carry while stoned”.
cop
your brake light is going to be out. you have your license and insurance?
driver
(apparently recognizes the question as a command to hand over license and insurance. gets a piece of paper from somewhere, apparently a glove compartment, with the help of his spouse, and hands it to the officer)
driver
officer, i do have to tell you that i have a —
officer
ok
— firearm on me —
officer
ok
driver
— i’m go— i’m —
officer
don’t reach for it then
driver
— i’m, i’m gonna have to —
officer
don’t pull it out.
driver
— i have to —
driver’s girlfriend
— he has to —
officer
don’t pull it out!
officer begins to discharge his weapon into driver’s body, firing approximately 2 shots
driver’s girlfriend
no! no!
officer continues to discharge his weapon into driver’s body, firing about 5 more shots
driver
oww, oww, oww, oww
driver’s girlfriend
why you just had to kill my boyfriend
driver
i wasn’t reach—
driver’s girfriend
he wasn’t reach—
officer
don’t pull it out! (still holding gun, pointed at driver)
driver’s girlfriend
he wasn’t—
officer
don’t move! fuck!
driver’s girlfriend
oh, man...
officer
fuck!
driver’s girlfriend
oh my god...
officer
don’t move!
(back door opens)
driver’s girlfriend
oh my god...
officer
don’t move!
(kid walks out of back door)
my take
the officer seems mentally unstable. he issued contradictory commands. he could have shot the girlfriend and the kid.
the driver sounds too relaxed, as if on pot, and he seems unaware of the danger he is put in by the officer’s contradictory commands.
i can understand that in the mind of the driver, he was not reaching for his gun when he allegedly reached for his wallet, and he was in full compliance with the officer at that time.
the officer does not say “don’t move!” until several seconds after shooting the victim.
i suspect that the officer was trained to say “don’t move” at the time the driver announces that he has a firearm on him. the officer forgot that he issued a command to produce a driver’s license. the officer instead said, don’t pull it out— but does not say what “it” is, implying that he was talking about the firearm, but not restricting the driver from pulling out his wallet to comply with the officer’s earlier request to produce a driver’s license.
will there be a civil lawsuit?
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/family-philando-castile-plans-lawsuit-attorney-says-n608156
‘The problem is that “I have a gun” pretty much clears any normal cop’s mind of the fact that the cop just asked for license and insurance.’
And that is the real problem. Civilians are required to think like a cop— worse, like a cop with really bad training and a really bad attitude towards civilians (not to mention blacks).
How about a cop that thinks like a civilian? The driver had his girlfriend and his girlfriend’s young daughter in the car. A second police officer is present, which the driver is presumably aware of by that time.
Is the driver likely to start a shooting war with an armed cop in that situation?
If you listen to the tape closely the cop is still frothing at the mouth several minutes after the shooting.
Meanwhile, the girlfriend accurately recorded the events on her facebook live video, even after her boyfriend got shot and she risked getting shot herself, and even while being arrested and worrying about her young daughter.
Listen to the foul language that the officer used during the shooting and several minutes afterwards, in the presence of a young child who could have been the victim’s daughter. Is that the language of someone who is collected and in control?
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