Posted on 06/19/2017 2:15:05 PM PDT by Da Bilge Troll
ST. LOUIS (AP) — A judge has issued an injunction that will temporarily prevent the city of St. Louis from removing a Confederate monument from Forest Park.
St. Louis Circuit Court Judge Robert Dierker on Monday issued the injunction and set a July 6 hearing for arguments over whether the city or the Missouri Civil War Museum owns the monument.
The museum filed a lawsuit Friday against the city, contending the United Daughters of the Confederacy signed over the ownership rights to the monument last week. The city contends it controls the monument and wants to remove it soon. Dierker's ruling came as city workers were installing steel rigging on the structure Monday, in preparation for removing the 38-foot monument.
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Th deed to the land or the deed to the monument?
Might as well say Plymouth Rock, because it was a done deal at that point.
>>Is there a group pushing the city into this?
You’re kidding, right?
Hey i just go to branson for the country music shows. I am waaay out of my league on missouri war between the states era history. However i have been asvised that missouri civil war dual governancy is a great topic for polisci phd theses. Hope life down under is well. Australia is still on
my bucket list :-)
Asvised -> advised
>>No history is being erased, as we do not have monuments to every historical event that has ever occurred, and we still know the history of those events despite there not being monuments to those events.
But the removal of historical monuments, like the historical revisionism of school textbooks, is clearly a concerted effort to distort historical reality for the purpose of appeasing those who are offended by that reality.
Ping me when a government moves to remove the Confederate Monument in your front yard.
Until then, entities may control the monuments that are on their property.
>>If the voters of St. Louis object to the removal of this monument, they can elect a new city council and that city council can decide to keep and maintain the monument.
Unless, of course, the monument has been destroyed.
>>Very possibly, the presence of the Union Army under John C. Fremont kept Missouri in the Union during the war.
Maryland as well was kept in the Union by the presence of the Union Army, although many of its citizens fought for the CSA under the Crossland banner, which was and still is the red and white quadrants of the State flag.
What message does taking all the statues down send to the descendants of the brave men?
That they were bad men?
They weren’t. That’s why this is SO WRONG!
The north was so noble that 300 bucks could buy you out of the war and Irish guys escaping famine were sent from the ships to the battlefield to fight a war they knew nothing about.
That was real noble of the north /s
Just because this is where most of us Italians stayed (northeast) and just because I can’t take weather above 70 doesn’t mean I’m not a southerner at heart!
I have old letters written by Confederate soldier ancestors and they comment upon this. They honestly thought they were fighting Hessians again, just as their grandfathers and great grandfathers had in the Revolution. They pitied them, being marched right into the line of fire. Cannon fodder.
Terrible thing.
And you have letters that old? That’s like the stuff of museums!
Wow.
The oldest thing I have is a picture of my great grandfather, grandfather and pop when he was 18. Pop came from Italy as a kid, but it’s still only a 1938 picture.
Not the civil war!! Wow.
Civil War era is not that old and those letters are not of any great value to anyone but us. I do have a musket that my fifth great grandfather used, it has some value but not great due to condition, I’d be afraid to fire it. Restoration would be fairly costly. There are groups who go around firing their muskets here on New Year’s Eve. I’ve often thought I’d enjoy joining them.
They are of GREAT value to you.
And they are old to me.
I guess I’m a newcomer :)
The musket must be awesome. I hope you can get it restored and join the New Years Eve festivities some day soon.
The best-known and most organized one is southwest of me but northwest of Charlotte, in Cherryville. They even have a lengthy Old English sounding chant they recite from home to home before firing their muskets, that’s reputed to be over 250 years old. Mummers in Philadelphia derive from the same European tradition but they dropped their firing guns and cannon long ago. The NC iteration is a combination of things that came here courtesy of the ever-present Scotch-Irish anywhere near the Appalachians, as well as Germans, Swiss, English and French.
Your common sense, insight and kindness are refreshing!....Thanks!
My husband grew up in Missouri near St. Louis, so he has me well up to speed on Missouri history. We still travel once a year or so to see his family. It is long trip from Oz to the USA. 16 hours or so non-stop from Sydney to Dallas. Our so-called conservative prime-mister is awful and we are about as messed up with PC as the USA.
yikes.
missouri along with kansas seem to form its own self contained version of the first war between the states. what i noted is that things seemed about equally divided in those states in the years leading up to and during the war. i think the history is particularly useful to study, if only as a model for things to watch out for if people cannot be civil with each other about political differences in the current era. back then in that region it was marked with several years of guerilla warfare. i suppose that would be what people would have to look forward to in the current era if folks cannot reconcile. while i was there i visited the wilson’s creek battlefield which was the second major battle of the war between the states after manassas (which i have also visited). the folks at the museum were fairly friendly with know-nothing questions from me, and i appreciated their help in bringing me up to speed on events related to antebellum missouri history. the stories of true grit, outlaw josey wales, and parts of the old tv series “wagon train” are set in the region. on my trip i only got time to see the springfield-branson area, having a nice time there, but regrettably missing everything else that the state has to offer. i would have liked to visit hannibal, for example, for the mark twain connection. (one interesting thing that i learned was that it was a big hemp growing state in the old days, and that this was the only crop amenable to slave labor in that region, since it was not quite suitable for cotton. on top of everything else it is a bit weird to wonder about all these historical folks running around growing hemp. anyways they seem to have been actually fighting about hemp in that region as much as anything else, if the historical accounts i have read are correct.)
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