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St. Louis Confederate memorial removal temporarily halted
STL Today (St. Louis Post Dispatch) ^ | June 19, 2017 | AP News

Posted on 06/19/2017 2:15:05 PM PDT by Da Bilge Troll

ST. LOUIS (AP) — A judge has issued an injunction that will temporarily prevent the city of St. Louis from removing a Confederate monument from Forest Park.

St. Louis Circuit Court Judge Robert Dierker on Monday issued the injunction and set a July 6 hearing for arguments over whether the city or the Missouri Civil War Museum owns the monument.

The museum filed a lawsuit Friday against the city, contending the United Daughters of the Confederacy signed over the ownership rights to the monument last week. The city contends it controls the monument and wants to remove it soon. Dierker's ruling came as city workers were installing steel rigging on the structure Monday, in preparation for removing the 38-foot monument.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events; US: Missouri
KEYWORDS: bluezones; confederate; dixie; lawsuit; memorials; monument; stlouis
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To: Da Bilge Troll

It could be an Activist Court interfering with a decision of the elected city council of St. Louis.

But, from a quick glance, it would seem the park land belongs to the city and the city can decide what monuments are in their park.


21 posted on 06/19/2017 3:11:05 PM PDT by Timpanagos1
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To: Da Bilge Troll
Plus, the Gateway Arch itself is a monument to stealing Indian land!

Needs to come down/s

22 posted on 06/19/2017 3:13:16 PM PDT by Rome2000 (SMASH THE CPUSA-SIC SEMPER TYRANNIS-CLOSE ALL MOSQUES)
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To: Ray76

“Erasing American history one memorial at a time.

No history is being erased, as we do not have monuments to every historical event that has ever occurred, and we still know the history of those events despite there not being monuments to those events.


23 posted on 06/19/2017 3:14:37 PM PDT by Timpanagos1
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To: Timpanagos1

IMO, your statement has so much wrong, I can’t find a right!


24 posted on 06/19/2017 3:25:00 PM PDT by Guenevere
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To: Da Bilge Troll

Maybe we can get Arkansas totally in Republican hands and threaten to tear down the Clinton library.


25 posted on 06/19/2017 3:26:31 PM PDT by alternatives? (Why have an army if there are no borders?)
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To: alternatives?

The Xlinton Library is on wheels so it wouldn’t be hard to get rid of it.


26 posted on 06/19/2017 3:29:19 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Guenevere

Does the City of St. Louis own Forest Park?

If so, is there a reason why the city does not have the right to control improvements within the park?


27 posted on 06/19/2017 3:36:29 PM PDT by Timpanagos1
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To: Timpanagos1

Let’s get rid of Carpenters’ Hall, it’s taking up valuable land. And who needs that creaky old ship in Boston?


28 posted on 06/19/2017 3:37:39 PM PDT by Ray76 (DRAIN THE SWAMP)
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To: Ray76

Who owns the land where Carpenters’ Hall is situated?


29 posted on 06/19/2017 3:41:45 PM PDT by Timpanagos1
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To: Timpanagos1

You probably had to search to find out what it is.


30 posted on 06/19/2017 3:44:08 PM PDT by Ray76 (DRAIN THE SWAMP)
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To: Ray76

Again, who owns the land where Carpenters’ Hall is situated?


31 posted on 06/19/2017 3:55:05 PM PDT by Timpanagos1
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To: Timpanagos1

It’s irrelevant. Tear it down.


32 posted on 06/19/2017 3:58:31 PM PDT by Ray76 (DRAIN THE SWAMP)
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To: Timpanagos1

Tear it down. It commemorates white supremacy.


33 posted on 06/19/2017 4:02:07 PM PDT by Ray76 (DRAIN THE SWAMP)
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To: Timpanagos1

You want to erase history.

I’ve been through this before with you. You say history can be read in a book, I show you where it has been removed from schoolbooks, and you dismiss it.

I dismiss fools.


34 posted on 06/19/2017 4:02:24 PM PDT by Ray76 (DRAIN THE SWAMP)
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To: Ray76

No, property rights are very relevant as the ow era of he property controls that property. Even if the monument were placed on the list of National Historic Landmarks, the owner can still remove the monument.


35 posted on 06/19/2017 4:04:48 PM PDT by Timpanagos1
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To: Ray76

I am not a citizen of St. Louis and thus have no opinion on the existence of the monument in Forest Park.

However, I do believe in the right of a city to control the improvements and modifications of their property.

If the voters of St. Louis object to the removal of this monument, they can elect a new city council and that city council can decide to keep and maintain the monument.


36 posted on 06/19/2017 4:15:16 PM PDT by Timpanagos1
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To: Da Bilge Troll

More accurately, Missouri had two state governments during the war between the states.

when the war began, Governor Jackson’s administration was in power in Springfield in 1861.

Jackson and his followers retreated upon threat from Union troops, and moved or set up government in Neosho.

Gamble was elected provisional governor in Springfield by Union sympathizers and others who remained, setting up a military governorship.

Jackson’s faction passed a bill favoring secession, but the quorum was never verified, and one account disputes it, casting some doubt on the procedure.

Jackson died in office in the provisional government in 1862, and Reynolds succeeded him. The provisional government was driven out of Missouri altogether into Marshall, Texas for the remainder of the war between the states.

Gamble died in office in the Union government in 1864, and Hall succeeded him.

Hall died in office in the Union government in 1865, and Fletcher succeeded him.

Very possibly, the presence of the Union Army under John C. Fremont kept Missouri in the Union during the war.


37 posted on 06/19/2017 4:20:23 PM PDT by SteveH
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To: SteveH

“Hall died in office in the Union government in 1865, and Fletcher succeeded him.”

I bet that Fletcher fella had some very high life insurance premiums.


38 posted on 06/19/2017 4:32:24 PM PDT by Timpanagos1
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To: PROCON
A Mosque a minute, until we're done.

ML/NJ

39 posted on 06/19/2017 4:33:37 PM PDT by ml/nj
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To: Timpanagos1
"is there a reason why the city does not have the right to control improvements within the park?"

When the monument was first installed, the DCV retained ownership and held the deed, which they still had until donating it to the museum last week.

40 posted on 06/19/2017 5:07:49 PM PDT by Da Bilge Troll (Defeatism is not a winning strategy!)
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