Posted on 05/04/2017 9:48:13 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd
How bad is this bill?!?
Clerk has the vote up now:
http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2017/roll256.xml
All but one, Newhouse of Washington, whose wife is dying(?) of cancer voted.
Make them live with it. NO CONGRESSIONAL EXEMPTIONS!
Well, if it is the Constitution you worry about - the last time anyone in DC had any concern for that was pre FDR.
Go ahead and yell and scream all you want, but there are realities at work here.
Medicare - tested in the courts and now the law of the land and medicaid have set the stage. You live long enough, you get single payer healthcare. Over 94% of American’s over 65 are forced into that system. When was the last time you tried to do ANYTHING to repeal that set of laws? If not, your whines today are frankly just noise.
Well, if it is the Constitution you worry about - the last time anyone in DC had any concern for that was pre FDR.
Go ahead and yell and scream all you want, but there are realities at work here.
Medicare - tested in the courts and now the law of the land and medicaid have set the stage. You live long enough, you get single payer healthcare. Over 94% of American’s over 65 are forced into that system. When was the last time you tried to do ANYTHING to repeal that set of laws? If not, your whines today are frankly just noise.
It’s not a “repeal” by any stretch of the imagination it’s just repeal of SOME of the law leaving the main thrust intact (as I predicted on numerous occasions). The government remains in charge of “health care” (really health INSURANCE, as another poster pointed out) doling out money so “everyone is covered” (just as Trump promised mind you). It’s populism at its finest but certainly not conservative.
It certainly has improvements, which is why I’ve said I find it acceptable, because any improvement is better than none of course. It eliminates completely (as far as I understand) the mandate forcing employers to provide health insurance to full time employees. It also eliminates the individual mandate, but that was really just for show as there was never anyone “fined” by the IRS for not having health insurance. And Trump issued an EO gutting the IRS’s authority in that matter anyway I think last month. But at least it’s no longer law too.
It also promises that those with preexisting conditions will no longer be guaranteed coverage and indeed states will have the option to apply for a waiver from that mandate. But they will have to set up “high risk pools” funded largely by federal subsidy to be granted such a waiver so there’s not much difference there although at least the impact on Joe Average’s wallet MIGHT be lessened (although those subsidies will add to the debt of course but who cares about that anymore right?). The mandated coverage levels (such as forcing all health insurance to provide sex change operations, the most egregious example but there were other mandated along those lines) are gone.
So it sounds ok, but one must return to the preexisting conditions mandate and how that will continue in practice. I don’t know how many states will opt for such a waiver (can you imagine the political backlash in such a state now that it’s become an expected “right” that insurance companies cover anyone regardless of condition?). But even those that have the political courage to do so will still have to create a high risk pool which itself will be mostly funded with federal dollars so everyone in every state will still pay for everyone else. It’s just changed names.
All the key elements have just changed names. I’m a bit optimistic about the mandate to keep people covered punishing those who aren’t with increased rates when/if they ever get coverage again. That’s an incentive that might work. But I’m doubtful especially since there will now be tax credits for everyone to help defray the costs of individual premiums.
All in all I don’t think things will change much. But this new system may be a bit more cost efficient. So that’s good.
But don’t let anyone tell you this was any substantial change from Obamacare. It’s not. The federal government is still in charge of your health insurance. Whether you like it or not. And that should be the bottom line when judging this or any “repeal and replace”.
At least for anyone who’s truly conservative.
Your response is that of a belligerent jackass.
If you’re going to claim that we should quit making the case for freedom and free markets, aren’t you in the wrong forum? Despite being realistic about outcomes, we conservatives and constitutionalists have a duty to make a case for original intent. You can take your ‘cut and run’ on the issues and stick it where the sun don’t shine.
Agree; sorry you got such a rude crude answer. There is such a thing as being pragmatic.
I hope it “eliminates completely (as far as I understand) the mandate forcing employers to provide health insurance to full time employees...” because lots of part-timers I worked with weren’t allowed to work more than 29 hours so the company wouldn’t have to pay their insurance. They needed the extra hours work/pay more than they desired insurance....many of them being younger folks. Now they can get the hours they desire and need.
Just a guess...gotta pass it to see what’s in it.
Is English not your native tongue? Or is the peabrained idea that purity is perfect and you alone define that your ideal? And being rude and abusive in the face of facts your m.o.?
The young and stupid have passions. I was young once.
News saying it passed, immediate whining that it “only covers 5% of preexisting conditions.” In other words it does exactly what insurance is supposed to do in the first place.
;)
The term "repeal & replace" was used consistently during the campaign. That is what could actually pass. A straight repeal would never pass—not with President Trump in the Oval Office—because of the GOPe "moderates" in the House. You know that.
So that's where the rubber meets the road.
This is one "baby step" in the right direction. President Trump likes to win, and he knows he won't win unless this process results to a positive solution for the American People.
There are many #NeverTrumpers—and doubting Thomases— who are seriously underestimating this President's passion and desire to win.
They will be disappointed as President Trump actually works tirelessly to make America great again, not with window-dressing, but with bona fide winning solutions.
Mark my words.
What mandate?
I’m getting SO SICK of the absolutists that expect Trump to be some sort of miracle worker. Like he can force absolutist positions. Negotiations doesn’t work that way, LIFE doesn’t work that way. You can tell absolutists have never formally negotiated in their lives because they would understand absolutism is a losing tactic.
Rush said about Obamacare - “It is repealed.”
The Details: What’s in the Health Care Bill
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3550246/posts
This bill neither repeals nor replaces ACA, it amends ACA.
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