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1 posted on 03/24/2017 8:19:08 PM PDT by conservative98
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I was following Joel up to the point where he took a flying leap off the platform of reality and stated, “Trump will turn to the moderate Democrats and offer them a deal.”

A “moderate Democrat” is an oxymoron.


2 posted on 03/24/2017 8:26:23 PM PDT by Carl Vehse
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I was somewhat disconcerted by the President’s seemingly enthusiastic support of the bill - but I have little doubt Trump is playing the long game.


3 posted on 03/24/2017 8:28:04 PM PDT by TheTimeOfMan (A time for peace and a time for war)
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You can sugar coat this all you want. The truth is Trump’s job just got a whole lot tougher. And it was already untenable before. The rebubs talk a good game, but in the end they want the same thing the dems want. We, as well as Trump have been played. This weakens Trump and the deep state will swoop in and pray on this weakness. Why do you think there was no bombshell out today on the wire tapping. It’s because it was pulled at the same time the health care bill was. I don’t want to underestimate Trump, but I don’t see how he can recover from this.


6 posted on 03/24/2017 8:36:02 PM PDT by JoSixChip (Cruz <- sleaze; Clinton <- criminal; Trump <- winner)
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To: conservative98

So the hyped-up vote did not happen. Big deal.

Can they not regroup and work out a better bill ?

Isn’t that what Congress is supposed to do ?


8 posted on 03/24/2017 8:37:27 PM PDT by 1066AD
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Trump will propose single payer within the month, and the Dems will accept the wall and deportation.


9 posted on 03/24/2017 8:40:21 PM PDT by Jim Noble (Die Gedanken sind Frei)
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To: conservative98

I would agree the Democrats are probably the biggest loser.
The next bill will be more conservative than this Obamacare 2.0


20 posted on 03/24/2017 8:56:59 PM PDT by cornfedcowboy
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`The conservatives will proceed with their demand for a full repeal of Obamacare. And then they will face the ire of voters who are deeply unhappy with Obamacare but upset about losing the paltry, expensive health insurance they currently have.

So we'll wait until 2018 - the next chance for voters to weigh in - until we can take the next step?

What's Joel trying to say?

22 posted on 03/24/2017 8:58:07 PM PDT by semimojo
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It’s amazing to watch all the hand-wringers and pearl clutchers rant as if Trump were just another politician doing the same ole politician thing. LOL

Many are the same ones who were swooning over what an outsider, a breath of fresh air he is. (and I think he is)


25 posted on 03/24/2017 9:00:52 PM PDT by TigersEye (We all have a stake in MAGA! We all need to contribute our efforts.)
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https://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/study-senate-can-repeal-obamacares-regulations-through-reconciliation-only


26 posted on 03/24/2017 9:03:25 PM PDT by AJFavish (www.allanfavish.com)
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We’ve been played.... AGAIN.

I can’t wrap my head around the notion of American citizens who think it’s alright for our government to FORCE us to buy insurance!!!

Hugo Chavez, yes.... Castro, yes... but here in the USA?!?!?


31 posted on 03/24/2017 9:19:32 PM PDT by joethedrummer
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To: conservative98

Sometimes not making the deal happen is better in the long run.

Obummercare will implode and Trump can use it to rally for more conservatives in the house and Senate in 2018.


58 posted on 03/24/2017 11:28:27 PM PDT by proudpapa (Trump Pence earned it.)
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One thing that is being overlooked by everybody is that Ryancare is the insurance companies bill — in many ways it is their bailout.

The insurance companies through Ryan overplayed their hand. Now they have to face the Obamacare implosion/explosion.

In a short amount of time the insurance companies will realize they are the biggest losers as many may go out of business.

As sure as the sun rises in the East, they will be back at the negotiating table begging for scraps just to stay alive.

They had their chance, but they failed due to their greed.

The downside couldn’t be more clear.

The Art of the Deal.


60 posted on 03/24/2017 11:44:25 PM PDT by FranklinsTower
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Trump gave Speaker Paul Ryan and the House Republican leadership enough rope to hang themselves. Instead of dictating terms to him, they will now depend on him to save them, politically. They must accept whatever plan he will put forward.

Which is the genius I explained to my friends on the left, who wondered why Trump is being so magnanimous toward Ryan after this defeat.

Let the asshat expose himself to failure and ridicule, then reign him in for support of the plan that will actually succeed and result in demonstrable success.

Spock plays chess with Trump, loses and gains a new understanding of warrior strategy.

I’ll have to put up with jibes from the other side for another year, until he prevails, then again for another 5 years until our plan proves out as the more reasoned and ultimately more successful plan.


61 posted on 03/25/2017 12:00:17 AM PDT by Vendome (I've Gotta Be Me - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wH-pk2vZG2M)
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To: conservative98

YES!


63 posted on 03/25/2017 2:16:46 AM PDT by jazzlite (esat)
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Trump plays chess the rest are still playing checkers


69 posted on 03/25/2017 3:44:42 AM PDT by ronnie raygun (Trump plays chess the rest are still playing checkers)
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The “Art of the deal”??

This will work quite well in a business arena where both parties can see gaining something and are willing to give something in order to gain it.

Not so in politics. The dems want to gain everything and want Americans to lose everything. This includes the GOPe collaborators.

Much swamp draining needs to occur before Trump’s agenda will succeed.


72 posted on 03/25/2017 5:00:24 AM PDT by redfreedom
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