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The GOP Repeal Plan Sucks. But Is it Better Than Nothing?
Townhall.com ^ | March 11, 2017 | David Harnanyi

Posted on 03/11/2017 12:12:01 PM PST by Kaslin

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To: WENDLE

We are so screwed.


41 posted on 03/11/2017 2:45:24 PM PST by Lazamataz (The "news" networks and papers are bitter, dangerous enemies of the American people.)
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To: lapsus calami

We are so screwed.


42 posted on 03/11/2017 2:45:59 PM PST by Lazamataz (The "news" networks and papers are bitter, dangerous enemies of the American people.)
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To: Lazamataz


43 posted on 03/11/2017 2:49:53 PM PST by JoeProBono (SOME IMAGES MAY BE DISTURBING VIEWER DISCRETION IS ADVISED;-{)
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To: Kaslin

Let it collapse, its on the Ryan and the rats.


44 posted on 03/11/2017 2:51:28 PM PST by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: MrShoop
"It seems like what a bunch of geezer freepers really want is their welfare the way they used to get it, but reform stops when it comes to their door. "

Not this geezer freeper. I turned old enough for Medicare this year. Did not, Will not sign up for it, even though I have some major chronic problems and no way to pay to fix the serious ones.

I don't believe in people paying for my needs, nor incompetent and corrupt bureaucrats administering those payments.

45 posted on 03/11/2017 2:57:04 PM PST by LegendHasIt
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To: Kaslin

A ridiculous false dichotomy that the Ryan and Trump teams are trying to justify their monstrosity by.

Campaigning for four election cycles on repealing Obamacare should not then be supposedly a promise fulfilled by rolling out ObamaCare 2.0 in its place.


46 posted on 03/11/2017 2:58:02 PM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: Kaslin

It’s a crap sandwich


47 posted on 03/11/2017 3:11:55 PM PST by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
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To: Caipirabob

Let it collapse, its on the Ryan and the rats.
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Someone needs to sit Trump down and refresh his memory on the “the snake poem.”

He’s trusting Ryan too much. Paul Ryan was a sneaky snake during the entire lead up to Trump’s presidency. I doubt he’s changed his opinion on Trump.

In one of the photos of Trump being sworn in you can see in the background Ryan and his wife. Ryan’s wife has not trained her face as well as her phony husband.


48 posted on 03/11/2017 3:15:02 PM PST by Ms Mable
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To: ObozoMustGo2012
"Why replace??" Exactly! Get rid of this disaster FIRST and then we can have a chat about 'free market' healthcare.



49 posted on 03/11/2017 3:21:21 PM PST by apostoli ("When people get used to preferential treatment, equal treatment seems like discrimination." - Sowel)
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To: Kaslin

It’s just one of the many mysteries of the GOP.

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It’s no mystery at all. The GOPe is in lockstep with the Democrats. The only mystery is why people still consider them to be separate parties.


50 posted on 03/11/2017 3:23:11 PM PST by Moonman62 (Make America Great Again!)
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To: Kaslin

Paul Ryan types cost the GOP Congress in 2006, 2008, and 2010 ...with 10% approval ratings. Ryan cost Romney the 2012 election.
GOP is talking about reforming the tax code, reducing brackets & deductions, but their Obamacare fix & other ideas all are about tax credits for this & tax deductions for that....all to make the tax code more complicated.
Here’s an idea. eliminate all deductions & exempt the first $150,000 of income, then have a flat 30% income tax on income over $150,000. That will give the bottom 90% incentive to work, save, and invest...with no tax on work or savings or investment for income under $150,000. That’s how you get people to work, ie, by making work PAY. Under this plan, people who earn $300,000 would have their first $150,000 tax exempt, so they wouldn’t need deductions & would pay 15% tax rate.......on income from any source.......while the richest would pay 30%-—which Arthur Laffer says is “the top of the Laffer Curve” were you begin to get a point of diminishing returns from inhibited growth. You tax capital gains and dividends as regular income.
so where do you get the revenue?
You have a 19.9% VAT to replace both payroll taxes and the corporate income tax. THAT is how you get fairness, while eliminating ALL deductions and reducing income taxes to just ONE tax bracket,by exempting the middle class.
You want to see a popular tax reform that really sets the stock market on fire? Try doing this! This also solves the problem of border adjusted taxes & tariffs and makes USA produced goods more competitive, while slapping a 19.9% VAT on imported goods before they hit the shelves....and there are plenty of other ways to raise revenues without making middle class workers pay income and payroll and corporate income taxes....
and then perhaps you fix Obamacare by something other than tax credits and deductions. like lowering the Medicare age, expanding Medicaid...contracting with or subsidizing hospital emergency rooms and urgent care....HSAs where govenment pays the deductible....


51 posted on 03/11/2017 3:32:54 PM PST by Beowulf9
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To: Kaslin

Paul Ryan types cost the GOP Congress in 2006, 2008, and 2010 ...with 10% approval ratings. Ryan cost Romney the 2012 election.
GOP is talking about reforming the tax code, reducing brackets & deductions, but their Obamacare fix & other ideas all are about tax credits for this & tax deductions for that....all to make the tax code more complicated.
Here’s an idea. eliminate all deductions & exempt the first $150,000 of income, then have a flat 30% income tax on income over $150,000. That will give the bottom 90% incentive to work, save, and invest...with no tax on work or savings or investment for income under $150,000. That’s how you get people to work, ie, by making work PAY. Under this plan, people who earn $300,000 would have their first $150,000 tax exempt, so they wouldn’t need deductions & would pay 15% tax rate.......on income from any source.......while the richest would pay 30%-—which Arthur Laffer says is “the top of the Laffer Curve” were you begin to get a point of diminishing returns from inhibited growth. You tax capital gains and dividends as regular income.
so where do you get the revenue?
You have a 19.9% VAT to replace both payroll taxes and the corporate income tax. THAT is how you get fairness, while eliminating ALL deductions and reducing income taxes to just ONE tax bracket,by exempting the middle class.
You want to see a popular tax reform that really sets the stock market on fire? Try doing this! This also solves the problem of border adjusted taxes & tariffs and makes USA produced goods more competitive, while slapping a 19.9% VAT on imported goods before they hit the shelves....and there are plenty of other ways to raise revenues without making middle class workers pay income and payroll and corporate income taxes....
and then perhaps you fix Obamacare by something other than tax credits and deductions. like lowering the Medicare age, expanding Medicaid...contracting with or subsidizing hospital emergency rooms and urgent care....HSAs where govenment pays the deductible....


52 posted on 03/11/2017 3:33:04 PM PST by Beowulf9
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To: ObozoMustGo2012
go back to pre-ACA health insurance

Pre-ACA health insurance is the CAUSE of Obamacare, returning to it won't solve the problem.

53 posted on 03/11/2017 3:35:17 PM PST by Jim Noble (Die Gedanken sind Frei)
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To: SubMareener
"What do we have for a Health Care System is this is all that is done?"

I still don't see the need (in a free country) to have a "system". We surely need a way to do the best for those unable to do for themselves, which seems to always come back to medicaid expansion. But, other than that I just can't understand how government intervening between supply, demand, customers and common sense serves anyone.

54 posted on 03/11/2017 3:40:34 PM PST by Baynative ( Someone's going to have to pay for these carbon emissions, so it might as well be you.)
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To: Kaslin
The vast majority of Americans want access to Lamborghini-class health care ... but they're only willing to pay for a Ford.

Nobody can fix a problem like this that is built on human delusion.

55 posted on 03/11/2017 3:54:20 PM PST by Alberta's Child (President Donald J. Trump ... Making America Great Again, 140 Characters at a Time)
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To: Kaslin

“But Is it Better Than Nothing?”

No. I voted for Trump (in part) to get rid of socialized medicine.

Obungholecare is socialized medicine. RINOcare is socialized medicine. How is socialized medicine better than the absence of socialized medicine?

The despicable scoundrel Ryan is leading a grand impaling of the American people upon the stake of leftism. He should receive a stake of his own, and be burned thereat.


56 posted on 03/11/2017 3:56:22 PM PST by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: Baynative

But, other than that I just can’t understand how government intervening between supply, demand, customers and common sense serves anyone.
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You should listen to some of President Donald J. Trump’s campaign speeches. He explains how this happened quite plainly. The people who this system “serves” are the politicians, lobbyists, healthcare providers and insurers.


57 posted on 03/11/2017 3:56:46 PM PST by SubMareener (Save us from Quarterly Freepathons! Become a MONTHLY DONOR)
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To: SubMareener
Understood.

I am complaining about those who campaigned to end this parasite, but stay with the idea of needing a "program".

58 posted on 03/11/2017 4:01:14 PM PST by Baynative ( Someone's going to have to pay for these carbon emissions, so it might as well be you.)
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To: Baynative

Very true. But without the “system” then the elites can’t syphon off billions of dollars, can they, for their pet projects (brainwashing) and their families multi-million dollar residences on remote islands, plus their off-shore bank accounts?

The System is how they control us, cattle, and steal our private property without us even knowing it (well, some of us). It is how the elites got super wealthy—stealing from and destroying others. They created the Leviathan and if we don’t end their SYSTEMS, we will be destroyed.

The most important one is their brainwashing system into stupidity and slavery (Common Core). Local control only of all “schools”. Parents choose the worldview their children will have...not the psychopathic sodomites like Billy Ayers, who are so irrational they “think” males can be females and sodomizing others is a Natural Right from God, and not learned by child abuse and neglect.

Where are all the feminists who want the government out of the womb???? Is it only for the killing of babies that they want government OUT-—oh, yes—they force government even to subsidize killing babies, too, along with the old useless eaters.

We need free market...there can be a safety net for the truly indigent but no “welfare” which destroys virtue formation in people. Socialism destroys cultures/children and anyone who is given anything for “free” which can’t happen. Socialism is just enslavement of the virtuous.

We need to support Christianity (virtue formation) like the Founders, since Virtue is essential for free societies. We need the Chrstian hospitals and charities to flourish again. Charity is destroyed with socialism (no such thing as “forced” charities). Although there can be some emergency programs to a small degree. All temporary and conditional though and never to support sloth and evil.


59 posted on 03/11/2017 4:03:10 PM PST by savagesusie (When Law ceases to be Just, it ceases to be Law. (Thomas A./Founders/John Marshall)/Nuremberg)
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To: Jim Noble

“Pre-ACA health insurance is the CAUSE of Obamacare, returning to it won’t solve the problem.”

That’s not true at all. The cause of Obullshitcare was the desire of the left to move the country away from freedom. They lied us into socialized medicine, when we had the best medical care in the history of the world.

The only problem with our medical care was government meddling.


60 posted on 03/11/2017 4:03:30 PM PST by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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