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Court Rules Doctors Can Ask Patients About Gun Ownership
Daily Caller News Foundation ^ | February 17, 2017 | Sarah Hurtubise

Posted on 02/18/2017 10:51:05 AM PST by kevcol

A federal appeals court has ruled that a Florida law restricting doctors from asking patients whether they own guns restricts the right to free speech.

The 11th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals found that the law violated doctors’ First Amendment right to free speech, and concluded that the state failed to prove that physicians were infringing on patients’ Second Amendment rights. A previous decision by a three-judge panel by the 11th Circuit upheld the law, but those suing the state asked for the full circuit court to re-consider the case.
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The Republican-controlled Florida state legislature passed a law in 2011 preventing doctors from asking patients about their gun ownership and gun safety procedures. Supporters of the law argued that doctors in the state were overstepping their authority and pushing an anti-Second Amendment agenda.

The move came after a Florida couple said their physician had asked about gun ownership and refused to see them after they declined to answer, according to the Miami Herald. The Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence quickly challenged the law, which has been battled over in the court system for years.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: banglist; bigbrother; doctors; florida; guncontrol; healthcare; secondamendment
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To: faithhopecharity
“Do you own a motor vehicle or ever go anywhere near any of them?”

Yes, and driving is a "privilege" whereas having a gun is a Constitutional Right, and it has nothing to do with the relative danger involved in each!

101 posted on 02/18/2017 12:25:28 PM PST by vette6387
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To: kevcol
Ask away. I simply wont answer.

Any doctor that demands an answer wont get my business.

102 posted on 02/18/2017 12:41:35 PM PST by matt1234 (Jan. 20, 2017: the national nightmare ended.)
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To: the OlLine Rebel; FlingWingFlyer

The problem is that most people, when caught unawares, will blurt out an answer. Even when it is something that they would not have answered had they had a minute to think about it. So this will allow doctors to ask nunofyerbizness questions and have them answered even when the patient may have intended not to answer.

And if you think you would not fall for this, it’s probably true. Those of us reading this are aware, so therefore not easy targets for this sort of thing. But how confident are you that your spouse or child will not blurt out the answer? Or even offer it freely? That is why this should be illegal.


103 posted on 02/18/2017 12:46:36 PM PST by generally ( Don't be stupid. We have politicians for that.)
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To: kevcol
A federal appeals court has ruled that a Florida law restricting doctors from asking patients whether they own guns restricts the right to free speech.

Only one time in my life did someone with no reason to know ask if I owned a firearm.

Tapping my lips with my index and signal finger of my right hand, I said, "Let me think. You know, it's been more than two years since I had to shoot someone. I used to own a gun. I may still. I just can't put my hands on it at this moment."

That produced kind of a wry smile.

If any bozo ever followed up with, "You shot someone?" which I didn't say, I would respond, "Well, when I plug a man, he stays plugged!"

104 posted on 02/18/2017 12:47:20 PM PST by stevem
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To: vette6387

I’d be more honest, and ask why, if it wasn’t to ask if he wanted to go hunting, form a posse, or whatever.

Part of life is letting your honesty test for jerks. If your honesty flushes out a jerk, the jerk is better left behind.


105 posted on 02/18/2017 12:56:48 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: vette6387

The constitution can at best only be a crude outline of something more fundamental, i.e. God given rights. Things that you may do for the sake of His positive will.

Let’s never forget the original, and always use it in preference to the copy if there is any conflict.


106 posted on 02/18/2017 12:59:24 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: kevcol

C.O.U.R.T =
S.W.A.M.P

Drain the courts and you will have drained the swamp.


107 posted on 02/18/2017 1:00:41 PM PST by MichaelCorleone (Jesus Christ is not a religion. He's the Truth.)
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To: circlecity

“If a doc asks about guns just lie and and say you don’t believe in guns. ANY other answer will just identify you on a permanent database as a gun owner.”

Exactly right.

I can’t believe so many mere can’t see through this. Especially in the age of 0bamacare.

It has nothing whatsoever to do with ‘free speech’.


108 posted on 02/18/2017 1:04:11 PM PST by MichaelCorleone (Jesus Christ is not a religion. He's the Truth.)
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To: MileHi

“What did the court say about patients telling their doctor to go screw?”

Any answer other than “no” means yes.


109 posted on 02/18/2017 1:06:17 PM PST by Brooklyn Attitude (The first step in ending the War on White People, is to recognize it exists.)
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To: SauronOfMordor
A bigger issue to address is : are doctors being REQUIRED to ask, and by whom?

That's a great question since the buffoons on this court claim that it is a doctor's "Right to free speech" to ask about guns. If he is being required to ask his/her patients about gun ownership, you can throw out the bull**** about the doctor's First Amendment rights that these maggots on the court are pimping.

110 posted on 02/18/2017 1:07:21 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (As long as tyranny exists, the Constitution and Bill of Right will never be "outdated" or "obsolete")
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To: kevcol

In a verdict worthy of the 9th Circus, how is a doctor asking a patient, does the patient own a gun be free speech? It must be free speech to ask the doctor if he has stopped beating his wife.


111 posted on 02/18/2017 1:07:52 PM PST by depressed in 06 (60 in '18.)
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To: vette6387; NFHale; WENDLE; flat; unkus; SkyPilot; Lumper20; ZULU; Liz; Albion Wilde; ...

Just went to a new doctor and they wanted me to fill out my new patient paperwork online. I vehemently said NO WAY! I refuse to fill out any medical information online EVER.


112 posted on 02/18/2017 1:15:52 PM PST by ExTexasRedhead
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To: kevcol

Let the court try ruling that the patients have to answer.


113 posted on 02/18/2017 1:17:22 PM PST by DPMD
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To: kevcol

Soon there will be a law REQUIRING doctors to ask patients about their gun ownership status. I bet the won’t find that unconstitutional.


114 posted on 02/18/2017 1:18:12 PM PST by Lorianne
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To: the OlLine Rebel

First, I would take out my phone and tell him the conversation will be recorded. Then reverse the roles of interrogator and subject; question him and his reason for asking, then ask a question of my own as a response to any question he asks. Two can play the game.


115 posted on 02/18/2017 1:22:08 PM PST by DPMD
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To: ExTexasRedhead

screw them. Find doctors that are not whores for their medicare money!!


116 posted on 02/18/2017 1:24:14 PM PST by WENDLE (Trump RULES IMMIGRATION!! Sanctuary crap will STOP or no money. ZERO!!)
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To: the OlLine Rebel

I guarantee you: a refusal or an evasion will be reported to the “appropriate” authority.


117 posted on 02/18/2017 1:49:46 PM PST by YogicCowboy ("I am not entirely on anyone's side, because no one is entirely on mine." - JRRT)
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To: Bob434

A better version of what I was considering. Kudos!


118 posted on 02/18/2017 1:50:26 PM PST by YogicCowboy ("I am not entirely on anyone's side, because no one is entirely on mine." - JRRT)
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To: the OlLine Rebel

And if they crosscheck the answer with federal agencies and find out it was a lie, then what?


119 posted on 02/18/2017 2:28:39 PM PST by SgtHooper (If you remember the 60's, YOU WEREN'T THERE!)
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To: kevcol

Sure, they can ask. And we can tell them to break into our homes some night and find out. Or just to mind their own business.


120 posted on 02/18/2017 2:35:20 PM PST by JimRed ( TERM LIMITS, NOW! Building the Wall! TRUTH is the new HATE SPEECH.)
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