Posted on 02/10/2017 3:07:28 PM PST by gubamyster
Threatening secession is far from the only thing that the Golden State has in common with the Old South. Over 60 percent of California voters went for Hillary Clinton — a margin of more than 4 million votes over Donald Trump.
Since Clinton’s defeat, the state seems to have become unhinged over Trump’s unexpected election.
“Calexit” supporters brag that they will have enough signatures to qualify for a ballot measure calling for California’s secession from the United States. Some California officials have talked of the state not remitting its legally obligated tax dollars to the federal government. They talk of expanding its sanctuary cities into an entire sanctuary state that would nullify federal immigration law.
Californians also now talk about the value of the old Confederate idea of “states’ rights.” They whine that their state gives far too much revenue to Washington and gets too little back. Residents boast about how their cool culture has little in common with the rest of the U.S. Some Californians claim the state could easily go it alone, divorced from the United States. Sound a bit familiar?
In December 1860, South Carolina seceded from the Union in furor over the election of Abraham Lincoln. Lincoln did not receive 50 percent of the popular vote. He espoused values the state insisted did not reflect its own. In eerie irony, liberal California is now mirror-imaging the arguments of reactionary South Carolina and other Southern states that vowed to go it alone in 1860 and 1861.
Like California, South Carolina insisted it could nullify federal laws within its state borders. Like California, South Carolina promised to withhold federal revenues.
Like California, South Carolina and other Confederate states bragged that their unique economies did not need the Union.
(Excerpt) Read more at victorhanson.com ...
“Half of my family are here illegally”- California State Senate President Pro Tem Richard De Leon
California, for all its braggadocio, cannot leave the U.S. or continue its states’-rights violations of federal law. It will eventually see that the new president is not its sickness, nor are secession and nullification its cures. Instead, California is becoming a reactionary two-tier state of masters and serfs whose culture is as peculiar and out of step with the rest of the country as was the antebellum South’s. No wonder the state lashes out at the rest of the nation with threatened updated versions of the Old Confederacy’s secession and nullification. But such reactionary Confederate obstructionism is still quite an irony given California’s self-righteous liberal preening.
Oh yeah...
I recall the fear of California being broken off from the rest of the continent along the San Andreas Fault in the 60’s. Is there anything that we can do to make this happen now?
I just listened to VDH being interviewed and his title is not the only dumb part of his essay. VDH’s idea of the ante-bellum South sounds just like Marx’s class struggle manure from his civil war writing. At least Marx had the excuse of being a communist dimwit, I dunno what excuse VDH has.
Yes. Although I think the South was morally wrong about slavery, they were right about their State Right to secede.
Lincoln was indeed a tyrant who forever established the incondign power of the Federal government over the States.
” a reactionary two-tier state of masters and serfs “
One of the more ignorant descriptions of the ante-bellum South. This really does sound just like what Karl Marx wrote about the South from his perch in London in the 1860s. Class warfare drivel, in which you’d think there was only the planter class and slaves with no one else. Makes you wonder where VDH thinks all of those confederate soldiers came from.
The next war, if there is one, between major world powers is not going to be a land invasion. It will be nuclear, which is why it is unlikely. The threat isn’t China, it’s Islam in our midst. Granted, the little nutball in NK might try to launch a nuke our way, but CA isn’t going to have anything to do with that.
As long as Mexico pays their bills and they don't receive a dime of U.S. funds but we know they won't.
Well I can assure you the wealthy arrogant plantation class or the Cotton Kings back then, (Read Apple, Silicon Valley in CA today) had no desire to create or build an industrial middle class. They were all about being the elites, in total control of the uneducated serfs.
Regardless of what your position is, there are a lot of similarities the author brought up here.
“Maybe “Jefferson California” can remain as “California” and everything south of Oakland will just be Ceded to Mexico and the idiots there can negotiate with Mexico Nationhood....”
Allow me to throw some sand into the gears of leftist LA and San Fran seceding from the union.
If these leftist pigs try, the state of Jefferson will rise and secede from California, form a new conservative state and place 5 million volunteers onto the California battlefield.
They will be veterans steeped in the art of war, they will know the territory where they fight and they will overwhelm the snowflakes living in mommy’s basement in LA and San Francisco.
Semper fi, GraceG
All the states, or a lot of them, at one time or another had threatened to secede before the south actually did. California is different, they are talking about it, because they ve been illegally invaded by people from other countries. Take Cali back.
Really, I’m all for letting them secede. However, if any counties or territories wish to remain, they too should then be allowed to secede from California and remain with the United States.
The rest can be handed over to the Cartels and Narcotraficantes if that’s what they want.
Instead of “Calexit” they should call it CalGone, as in-
“CalGone – Take them away!”
Mexican troop may take over Ca,State doesn’t have ammunition. Lol
“there are a lot of similarities the author brought up here.”
No there aren’t. And that’s the problem with VDH’s tortured attempt to create an analogy. The planter class wasn’t alien to the rest of the South, they were part of it. They were as much a part of the fiber of the South as Washington, Jefferson, Madison, Mason, Henry and the rest of the planter class of a generation before that played an even bigger role in an earlier secession.
VDH illustrates his ignorance of ante-bellum southern history in this quasi-Marxist rendering of the South as two tiered consisting of aristocrats and serfs. But he’s desperate to make his analogy, so he equates planters with California’s uber wealthy. California’s rich do not share the culture of normal Californians, they have simply been able to impose their will on the rest of us through raw political power. They not only wouldn’t be leaders if civil war broke out, they would be targets.
“California is different, they are talking about it, because they ve been illegally invaded by people from other countries. Take Cali back.”
Finally somebody who gets it. We not only have been invaded, we appear to have been conquered.
The politicos in this state don’t even attempt to hide the fact that they serve illegal alien foreign nationals first. And it’s not just the Democrats who do this, it’s the collaborator GOPe as well.
In CA, the big corp (plantation) owners just import their low wage illegal planter class. Their part of it too, in fact claim they own it and also support seceding from the rest of the country. This is like the old south but in warped 2017 leftist style.
The only similarity is the talk of secession. What's going on here is no more the same as South Carolina in 1860 than it is of New England flirting with secession in 1804 and 1814.
No, there are several similarities. Another of which is those states you listed never seceded, nor will CA.
If you break it off at the San Andreas it would take LA, all the coastal cities to about 60 to 80 miles past San Fran and flood Sacramento under about 25 feet of sea water.
Sounds like a pretty good idea to me, my home in Trinity County would become coastal property like you find around Vancouver Canada.
I love to go deep sea fishing and would only have to drive about 8 to 12 miles to a deep water port.
MAKE IT HAPPEN.
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