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Why Are Executive Orders Not Unconstitutional? (Republican Governments are Inefficient.)
Sons of Constitutional Liberty ^ | 2/4/17 | SCL

Posted on 02/04/2017 11:36:33 AM PST by Jim W N

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To: Jim 0216

I thought all regulations were executive orders put in place (theoretically) to implement laws passed by Congress.


61 posted on 02/04/2017 1:46:10 PM PST by ichabod1 (The Wise Cracker)
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To: Windflier

What about Obama? Were any of his executive orders done outside of his constitutional authority, and did he order any executive branch agency to do anything not supported by statute law? How do we know? Isn’t the question worth asking?

The “concern” about the constitutionality of federal acts is not widespread enough.


62 posted on 02/04/2017 1:46:56 PM PST by Jim W N
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To: eyedigress

Nope you don’t have a rebirth of our Free Constitutional Republic - which MUST happen if America is to become “Great Again” - by continuing to plow the Constitution under. I’m not saying Trump is doing that. My main concern is too many people on the Right don’t ask these important questions but rather seem to have acquiesced to unconstitutional federal government which is exactly acquiescing to tyranny. God help us.


63 posted on 02/04/2017 1:51:01 PM PST by Jim W N
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To: Jim 0216

“From what I can tell, the only valid Trump executive orders may be those repealing Obama’s stench of unconstitutional executive orders.”

I guess the author never took or failed civics.

Every high school kid with a government civics class knows that executive orders are not extra-constitutional. Even a pot smoking pimply-faced teenager knows that the president has authority and when he writes down his decisions they are called Executive Orders and recorded in the Federal Register.

Of course, I guess someone that doesn’t know what the Federal Register is or what powers the president has would think Executive Orders are some kind of magical extra-constitutional usurpation of power.


64 posted on 02/04/2017 1:52:12 PM PST by CodeToad (If it weren't for physics and law enforcement, I'd be unstoppable!)
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To: Jim 0216

I see a president, issuing an executive order, using powers assigned to him by an act of Congress and upheld by the courts, to be acting in a Constitutional manner.

http://lawnewz.com/high-profile/on-trial-why-trumps-immigration-ban-will-win-over-seattle-judges-nationwide-stay/

Immigration law includes a “delicate policy judgment” courts must not invade, as the Supreme Court itself said, and the Boston judge reiterated. Plyler v. Doe, 457 U.S. 202 (1982). As the Ninth Circuit reiterated, “we defer to the political branches in the immigration field.” Ruiz-Diaz v. United States, 703 F.3d 483 (9th Cir. 2012)


65 posted on 02/04/2017 1:53:55 PM PST by dirtboy
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To: Bob

Maybe. I hope so.

Don’t you think it’s a question worth asking? What’s the greatest guarantor of our freedom? Trump? The next yokel that comes down the pike? No. It’s the Constitution. The question we should all be asking ourselves and each other about any significant federal act is, “Is it Constitutional?”


66 posted on 02/04/2017 1:54:32 PM PST by Jim W N
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To: Jim 0216
"The Executive Branch making law is the issue."

Try actually reading an executive order before saying such a stupid thing. Trump did no such thing as "making law".

Whitehouse web site - Executive Orders

67 posted on 02/04/2017 1:54:40 PM PST by CodeToad (If it weren't for physics and law enforcement, I'd be unstoppable!)
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To: Jim 0216
What about Obama? Were any of his executive orders done outside of his constitutional authority, and did he order any executive branch agency to do anything not supported by statute law? How do we know? Isn’t the question worth asking?

For a Freeper, you appear to be a very uninformed person.

The questions you're asking, have been answered hundreds of thousands of times on this website over the last eight years.

68 posted on 02/04/2017 1:58:21 PM PST by Windflier (Pitchforks and torches ripen on the vine. Left too long, they become black rifles.)
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To: CodeToad

Every high school kid and most law students have been brainwashed by the Left. You don’t think so? Better think again. The Left has spent decades eroding the Constitution and its separation of power applying whatever counterfeit “doctrine” they can come up with and students, usually young people who don’t know better, buy it.


69 posted on 02/04/2017 2:01:26 PM PST by Jim W N
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To: CodeToad

By definition, an “Executive Order” both makes and carries out law. Otherwise, it is not an “executive order”. Normally “executive orders” are directives to unelected and unaccountable administrative agencies which themselves are generally unconstitutional.


70 posted on 02/04/2017 2:04:45 PM PST by Jim W N
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To: Jim 0216
By definition, an “Executive Order” both makes and carries out law.

I'd sure like to see where that definition came from. Did you make it up yourself?

71 posted on 02/04/2017 2:07:43 PM PST by Bob (Now, Republicans get to sing "Happy Days Are Here Again". Enjoy the suck, rats.)
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To: Windflier

No, “executive orders” should generally be questioned because they are both a legislative and executive act. That was my point in bringing up Obama because that is basically how he got around Congress and got away with it.

It’s worth asking about that here if you care anything about the future of our Free Constitutional Republic and the force of law of the Constitution.


72 posted on 02/04/2017 2:08:54 PM PST by Jim W N
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To: Bob

Law school and the bar review.


73 posted on 02/04/2017 2:09:59 PM PST by Jim W N
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To: Jim 0216

Please be a bit more specific, especially as to executive orders, by definition, “making law”. Every one of Trump’s that I’ve seen has a specific reference to a law passed by Congress that provides the basis for it.


74 posted on 02/04/2017 2:16:27 PM PST by Bob (Now, Republicans get to sing "Happy Days Are Here Again". Enjoy the suck, rats.)
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To: Jim 0216

Congress can at any time rescind their authorization for the president to use his discretion on any given topic.

Congress allowed Obama to throw open the borders without vetting invaders, and Congress allows Trump to re-institute strict vetting.

Congress WANTS to evade responsibility, hoping voters will just blame the president instead of them. The Executive Branch is designed to respond to the president in the absence of enforced directives from Congress.


75 posted on 02/04/2017 2:17:45 PM PST by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: JPJones

where was OUR federal judge ruling against Obama’s EO’s?

Hannan in Texas by Abbot as TX AG. was ours. Has gone up the ladder now to SCOTUS I think. But moot with Trump.

Ex Orders are to implement the laws as passed by Congress. There is lots of case law holding that. The job for Trump administration now is to demonstrate that. First with Oregon judge hearing I think.


76 posted on 02/04/2017 2:18:38 PM PST by amihow
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To: Bob

Here’s an example of an Executive Order “making law.” The most famous Executive Order in American history was issued by Abraham Lincoln. From the Union’s point of view, it “freed the slaves” in the states in rebellion under the President’s constitutional authority as Commander-in-Chief. From the point of view of the Confederacy, it deprived sovereign citizens of a seperate nation of their lawful property without just compensation.


77 posted on 02/04/2017 2:36:51 PM PST by Nero Germanicus
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To: Jim 0216
No, “executive orders” should generally be questioned because they are both a legislative and executive act.

Wrong.

Obama attempted to legislate through executive orders, but he's one of few (if any) presidents who've ever attempted to circumvent the Constitution in that way.

You're talking as though executive orders are a new and unusual invention. They aren't. Every president, including George Washington, has issued them. They're merely communiques from the President to his various agencies, in which he sets forth his legal and constitutional directives.

78 posted on 02/04/2017 2:42:33 PM PST by Windflier (Pitchforks and torches ripen on the vine. Left too long, they become black rifles.)
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To: Jim 0216

Maybe EO’s should be stopped. Let congress take all the heat. The President is an executor and enforcer of the laws. His only duty is to obey the Constitution. Let’s see how that works for a while. We didn’t like Obama’s EO’s. Just stop it. Let’s obey the law at ALL times for the good or for the worse. Over reach has always been a problem.

I fully realize that the safety of our country rests in the President’s hands. If judges want to deprive him of fulfilling his duties, let that be on the liberal conscience...it is most of them that will be targeted.


79 posted on 02/04/2017 2:44:47 PM PST by New Jersey Realist (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing. Edmund Burke)
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To: AustinBill
Yours is the best post on this thread.

In fact, it's the only one anyone really needs to read.

80 posted on 02/04/2017 2:50:21 PM PST by Alberta's Child ("Yo, bartender -- Jobu needs a refill!")
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