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California Shouldn't Secede (It Should Split Instead)
National Review ^ | 1/29/2017 | John Fund

Posted on 01/30/2017 4:41:19 AM PST by PreciousLiberty

Los Angeles — Liberals used to hate secession, the notion that states could leave the Union as they did before the Civil War because they didn’t agree with the policies of the federal government. But with Donald Trump’s election, many California liberals suddenly have warm words for a budding ballot initiative that has just begun collecting signatures in order to place secession, or “Calexit,” on the ballot.

At the height of the tea-party movement, Texas governor Rick Perry merely hinted at the thought that Texas might react to President Obama’s executive overreach by reclaiming its one-time status as an independent republic. He was denounced as something akin to a traitor; critics lamented that he wanted to return Texas to the era of sharecroppers or Jim Crow. Now Dan Schnur, who teaches political communications at the University of Southern California, says “California is the new Texas,” with its elected officials promoting a “virtual secession.” The secessionists plan to take to the legislature, the courts, and the streets to resist Trump’s agenda. Never before have so many prominent Californians gotten into such a reactionary, defensive crouch.

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On policy after policy, from dramatically higher minimum wages to the nation’s most steeply progressive income tax, California’s leaders are pursuing a 180-degree departure from the priorities of Team Trump. They say this is the perfect time for a breakup, and they cite a new Reuters-Ipsos poll showing that 32 percent of Californians (mostly Democrats) back the idea.

As a Californian, I view the “Calexit” movement with amusement, since there is zero chance that Congress would ever provide enough votes to allow California to leave peacefully, and the alternative exit ramp would involve a modern-day civil war.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: calexit; california; lol; newcalifornia; secession; timdraper
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To: Claud

Here’s how bad it’s gotten Upstate: Used to be if a cit mention secession to a local/state pol, said pol would smile and start looking for a guy with a butterfly net. Now local/state pols are raising the subject themselves. And they AIN’T smiling.


41 posted on 01/30/2017 6:26:31 AM PST by mewzilla (I'll vote for the first guy who promises to mail in his SOTU addresses.)
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To: Claud

And I think the red bits of NY and PA would make a mighty fine state.


42 posted on 01/30/2017 6:28:00 AM PST by mewzilla (I'll vote for the first guy who promises to mail in his SOTU addresses.)
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To: Izzy Dunne

Speaking of the San Andreas, if the Big One does hit in the next 4 years, the blue bits of CA are going to join the red bits in thanking the Almighty for 45. Then they’ll come hat in hand for money.


43 posted on 01/30/2017 6:30:38 AM PST by mewzilla (I'll vote for the first guy who promises to mail in his SOTU addresses.)
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To: PreciousLiberty

Let them secede. Then invade and drive the worthless snowflakes into the pacific. Result - California becomes a normal state again, and we have fewer whiney snowflakes clogging up the works.


44 posted on 01/30/2017 6:32:58 AM PST by meyer (The Constitution says what it says, and it doesn't say what it doesn't say.)
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To: mewzilla

Wow. Good to hear.

The Great State of Allegheny. :)


45 posted on 01/30/2017 6:54:38 AM PST by Claud
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To: PreciousLiberty

Several states that want to break up — why?

Within a few years, the Libs will have infiltrated the broken off sections and the new segmented state will be back in the same shape condition in a couple of decades — Libs running things and creating havoc.

Libs spread into non-Lib states. Look at Nevada, Idaho, Montana, Colorado, New Mexico, Texas, etc.

Breaking up into another entity is not the solution. It is sort of like chopping off one’s arm because a finger has a splinter.

Man up! Take your state back! Otherwise, breaking the state up is like compromise, and look at what compromise has done — in DC, for example. In compromise, you lose and the Libs win.


46 posted on 01/30/2017 6:58:12 AM PST by TomGuy
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To: meyer
Let them secede. Then invade and drive the worthless snowflakes into the pacific.

Here's a page right out of the liberal playbook: Garibaldi's invasion of the Kingdom of Two Sicilies in the 1860s. Foment internal dissension against the established government, then rush in with an army claiming to be a "liberator".

Oh, and then declare the people fighting for their King "brigands" and execute them by firing squad.

47 posted on 01/30/2017 7:02:11 AM PST by Claud
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To: PreciousLiberty

Just what this nation needs — a dozen future Venezuelas peppered along the coastal regions and inland.

You think they still won’t be suckling off FED money? Most foreign nations get some kind of FED money now.

As separate nation-states they would get the money without DC regulating how they spend it.


48 posted on 01/30/2017 7:05:04 AM PST by TomGuy
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To: TomGuy

I’m pretty sure a newly created state could pass plenty of disincentives to emigration and minimize being taken over by Libs.

There just hasn’t been the will so far.


49 posted on 01/30/2017 7:05:10 AM PST by Claud
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To: PreciousLiberty
Despite the desire of many patriotic Americans living in California - the problem with California splitting into 2 states is that the CONSTITUTION requires that be done only with the consent of the state legislature:
"New States may be admitted by the Congress into this Union; but no new State shall be formed or erected within the Jurisdiction of any other State; nor any State be formed by the Junction of two or more States, or Parts of States, without the Consent of the Legislatures of the States concerned as well as of the Congress"

Article IV, Section 3, Clause 1

Only if the sane half of California could regain control of its legislature would it be possible.
50 posted on 01/30/2017 7:06:20 AM PST by drpix
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To: PreciousLiberty
Despite the desire of many patriotic Americans living in California - the problem with California splitting into 2 states is that the CONSTITUTION requires that be done only with the consent of the state legislature:
"New States may be admitted by the Congress into this Union; but no new State shall be formed or erected within the Jurisdiction of any other State; nor any State be formed by the Junction of two or more States, or Parts of States, without the Consent of the Legislatures of the States concerned as well as of the Congress"

Article IV, Section 3, Clause 1

Only if the sane half of California could regain control of its legislature would it be possible.
51 posted on 01/30/2017 7:07:28 AM PST by drpix
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To: PreciousLiberty

Yup. Let those counties break off to form their own nation.


52 posted on 01/30/2017 3:41:24 PM PST by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either satire or opinion. Or both.)
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