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DOJ: 'Reasonable cause' to believe Chicago police use excessive force
thehill.com ^ | 1/13/17 | Mark Hensch

Posted on 01/13/2017 10:04:48 AM PST by ColdOne

The Justice Department has “reasonable cause” to believe Chicago police officers use excessive force, the agency announced Friday.

Announcing the outcome of a Department of Justice (DOJ) investigation first launched in late 2015, Attorney General Loretta Lynch said there was cause to believe the Chicago Police Department “engages in a pattern or practice of using force, including deadly force, in violation of the Fourth Amendment of the Constitution.”

“The pattern or practice results from systemic deficiencies in training and accountability, including the failure to train officers in de-escalation and the failure to conduct meaningful investigations of uses of force.

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To: aquila48

I just watched the video. The kid had something in his right hand, it was shiny metal, don’t know what it was. When they shot him, he spun around and landed on the street on his right side. When he stopped moving, an officer moved toward him and kicked something out of his outstretched arm, but you can’t really see what it was.

The kid was in the middle of the street only a few feet from the police when he was shot. You can’t hear any sound except for the muted sound of the sirens in the police care that was following him. It was a cop in the street who shot him.

With just visuals, it’s really hard to tell exactly what was going on, and hard to tell what he was carrying in his hand. His left hand was either in a pocket, or holding his pants up so it’s hard to tell what was going on with that hand.

When the kid landed on the street after being shot, a puff of smoke erupted near the kid’s right shoulder. It’s hard to tell what caused that...a second shot by the police? The kid’s own (possible) gun going off? But guessing, it looks more like a second shot that missed the kid and smoked when it hit the tar.

Folks with the capacity to enlarge the vid, and take it a part frame by frame are in a better position than I to determine what was happening. The camera used was a dash cam on a police dashboard inside the cruiser.


21 posted on 01/13/2017 10:29:57 AM PST by PrairieLady2
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To: ColdOne

The problem is that there are not enough policemen getting killed or injured. That is Discrimination. Death and injury should be democratically evenly divided between arresters and arrestees. Its only fair.


22 posted on 01/13/2017 10:30:40 AM PST by arthurus
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To: PGR88

Welcome to Chicago gang wars ...


23 posted on 01/13/2017 10:31:21 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: ColdOne
I am thankful I have not been in the situation these cops have to deal with. With gratitude to those who face those situations for a living, I do not blame them for erring on the side of what those of far away from danger might deem was "excessive force". And I especially take a dim view of such allegations in a report made in cooperation with groups that are openly hostile toward police.
24 posted on 01/13/2017 10:32:29 AM PST by AndyTheBear
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To: ColdOne

Attorney General Loretta Lynch


pure evil


25 posted on 01/13/2017 10:34:21 AM PST by samtheman (I voted for Trump without Russian help.)
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To: Bubba Gump Shrimp

I’d think it pretty dangerous to be a uniformed policeman on detail forced to leave your firearm in the car. Or to be near said policeman.


26 posted on 01/13/2017 10:35:29 AM PST by Pearls Before Swine
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To: Pearls Before Swine

yup


27 posted on 01/13/2017 10:38:10 AM PST by Bubba Gump Shrimp (A Liberal is someone who cannot accept that there is a Law of Unintended Consequences)
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To: ColdOne

Watch the crime and murder rate get even higher now that the DoJ has officially labeled them as “abusive”. 0bama needs to go live in the area where he was a “community organizer” and see just how well its organized now.


28 posted on 01/13/2017 10:43:05 AM PST by euram
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To: ColdOne

In a war zone?


29 posted on 01/13/2017 10:44:04 AM PST by t4texas (No koolaid for me. Thanks!)
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To: ColdOne

“The pattern or practice results from systemic deficiencies in training and accountability, including the failure to train officers in de-escalation and the failure to conduct meaningful investigations of uses of force.”

No, it results from their being no serious consequences for improper use of force, because there is criminal collusion in the police department (and the state’s attorney office) to protect each other from those consequences.


30 posted on 01/13/2017 10:46:24 AM PST by Boogieman
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To: PrairieLady2
Article says the object was a knife rather than a gun.

(Note to people watching video, the action happens after the first 5 minutes)

He did draw a knife, and was fairly close to the cops so I can understand him being shot the first time. Even the second time on the ground. But it looks like after he had clearly been on the ground for a few seconds and obviously was not going to get up he may have been shot again....and the cops seemed to be slow to give him aid. If they were afraid he had a side arm they did not seem to be acting like it near end of video, but they weren't checking on his condition either, letting him lie there....

31 posted on 01/13/2017 10:52:59 AM PST by AndyTheBear
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To: redcatcherb412

Meh, only people who haven’t had to deal with Chicago cops think that was some kind of isolated incident.

One of my elementary school teachers described the Chicago PD, thirty years ago, as “the largest street gang in the city”.


32 posted on 01/13/2017 10:53:00 AM PST by Boogieman
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To: ColdOne

Thank goodness this crap will cease on January 20th.


33 posted on 01/13/2017 10:53:33 AM PST by Retired Chemist
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To: ColdOne
Oh OK, lets police the feral blacks in Chicago with silk gloves. You know, use the Scandinavian approach to policing.

Lemme know how that works out.

34 posted on 01/13/2017 10:54:48 AM PST by riri (Obama's Amerika--Not a fun place.)
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To: ColdOne

Message to police nationwide: The Cavalry is on the way. Just hang of for 7 more days.


35 posted on 01/13/2017 10:58:07 AM PST by Uncle Sam 911
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To: Vaquero

Its clear the Chicago police don’t use ANY force and have withdrawn from the south side. I don’t blame them for a second and hope the residents are happy.


36 posted on 01/13/2017 10:59:03 AM PST by Uncle Sam 911
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To: Bubba Gump Shrimp

Scarier though... is that 3 of our 7 member board agreed... That armed police in our schools were a cause for more violence against police.


Were the 3 agreeing members women? I know this may seem sexist, but a substantial percentage of women have no idea how the world works.


37 posted on 01/13/2017 11:01:30 AM PST by rbg81 (Truth is stranger than fiction)
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To: rbg81

yes


38 posted on 01/13/2017 11:05:53 AM PST by Bubba Gump Shrimp (A Liberal is someone who cannot accept that there is a Law of Unintended Consequences)
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To: ColdOne

I believe the Ns use excessive force.


39 posted on 01/13/2017 11:06:28 AM PST by Rannug ("all enemies, foreign and : domestic")
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To: PrairieLady2

Now that I’ve thought about it a while, the theory that makes the most sense is that the cop who shot thought the knife was a side arm. Perhaps they were not lending aid because the last shot was an obviously fatal one (seems to me he was shot right before the knife was kicked out of his hand). When he was on the ground his arm was still moving, and obviously did not pose much danger with the knife, but pointed in the cops direction would have posed danger if it were a side arm.


40 posted on 01/13/2017 11:13:41 AM PST by AndyTheBear
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