Posted on 01/04/2017 3:59:19 PM PST by Olog-hai
For five straight years, a study by United Van Lines says that New Jersey is the state most abandoned in all of the country, meaning the biggest percentage of out-of-state moves that it does are from New Jersey — 63 percent to be specific.
We’ve spoken to so many listeners who have moved out of Jersey over the years that it was difficult to even begin a list of reasons, but here are some things we came up with, just to name a few:
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Another reason why Chris Christie wasn’t picked by Trump for shit.
For U-haul it’s 2x cheaper to rent a trailer to leave California than to move TO Calif.
They’re bringing their liberal voting patterns with them to their new homes. They befoul their nests and then move on to ruin places like FL
New Jersey is the kind of european government our families wanted to get away from.
In the us if there was no specific law forbidding something it was legal. In most of europe if there was no specific law permitting something, it was illegal. Negative law vs positive law.
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I was just talking to a friend in Ridgewood, NJ, last night. He mentioned people are limited on living there due to property taxes. The costs are high, too, but the property taxes are deal killers. His house is $900K with a $17k property tax. His house would be probably $350K in most places with $3k in property taxes. He has neighbors with $100k property taxes.
NJ is a terrible place financially to live.
I hope they keep the F away from PA, I just escaped NY.
1. Their jobs are moving out of the state.
2. The taxes they pay aren't worth what they get in return for them.
Item #2 is important because people are actually prudent consumers when it comes to the "discretionary" taxes they pay. Most people I know aren't thrilled to pay high taxes, but if they live in a nice, safe town and their kids go to good schools then they are OK with it. In other words, they are OK paying for police/fire protection and public schools as long as they see the benefits of them.
What has changed here over the last 25 years is that they government has been collapsing into insolvency due to unfunded obligations to retirees. These people I described aren't willing to accept a scenario where they are paying high taxes to pay not only for the police officers and public school teachers in their towns, but for the pension and health care costs of police officers and public school teachers who retired years ago.
IIRC, New Jersey is one of the very worst states for gun rights. Lots of crime, but difficult to be responsibly armed for self-defense.
Well, the counties of Monroe, Pike, Lackawanna, Northampton and Lehigh have been mostly PennsylJersey-ized, with an almost equal contingent of New Yorkers in there too. That makes them similar to Bucks, Philadelphia and Delaware Counties.
That’s true; the rest of the reasons given are symptoms of those.
Interesting. I would have thought that it would be cheaper to bring a trailer TO California, as the demand for trailers *in* California would be high, so UHaul would want to do whatever it could to get trailers into the state, and that the demand in-state would result in a shortage of trailers and thus higher prices.
I might also add that the leftism there is an attack on private morality and the family.
The CalPERS cow has mastitis.
To me, a home with $17,000 in property taxes on it shouldn't be worth $900,000 under any circumstances. It should be worth $0, because it's not an asset anymore -- it's a liability. If it costs you $1,500 per month to live in that home even if you hold the title free of all liens, and before you've paid a penny in maintenance, repair or insurance costs, then it's hard to see it as anything BUT a liability.
3) High cost of housing.
The property tax is insane. When I was born my folks had an enormous house in NJ, over 12k sf. There is nothing comparable in PA but they found something nearly as nice, and the property taxes are about 1/15th what they were paying in NJ.
However, they decided to leave because of the crime. When criminals find your house attractive and you’re not allowed to keep firearms (though the police overlook it in some cases), Pennsylvania has a definite allure.
Back in the early and mid 20th century, the state was a working-class, low-tax and low regulation paradise.
Then New Yorkers came to NJ to escape the high taxes and crime.
Those New Yorkers brought their voting habits with them too and now NJ is the same hell-hole as NY.
In fact, people who live at the Jersey shore or vacation down there see the "beach tags" as a huge benefit -- because it keeps out a lot of mutant interlopers from northern New Jersey and New York City.
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