Posted on 12/15/2016 4:30:41 PM PST by Fractal Trader
A years-long forensics investigation into the computer image of the long-form Hawaiian birth certificate image that Barack Obama released during a White House news conference during his first term and presented to the American people as an official government document reveals it is “fake.”
It also confirms those who were subjected to the derogatory “birther” label from many media outlets and Democrats for badgering Obama with lawsuits, petitions to the Supreme Court, and more, were right – at least in the dispute that the document was manufactured and the questions about Obama’s birth and legitimacy to be president under the Constitution’s requirements still are unanswered.
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Which, in any event, would be immaterial. If born in the USA, Obama's claim to citizenship would be unaffected by any actions his parents might have taken when he was a minor.
Even if adopted and granted Indonesian citizenship, Obama would remain a US citizen -- unless he renounced that citizenship upon reaching his majority.
Great news! While you’ve been busy posting your tired, meaningless legalisms and other mindless, endless repetitions, in a futile effort to win one small battle, you and other Obama apologists have utterly and catastrophically lost the war. I followed the reactions on The_Donald subreddit the day of Arpaio’s news conference, and was pleased to note they are ALL so-called ‘birthers.’
By all, I mean a subreddit of nearly 325,000 members, growing by ~a thousand a day. They are mostly young, and a massive number of them make their living writing code. They ALL know the Obama BC is a cut-and-paste fraud [in the sense that it’s anything but an original vault copy] and they all know Obama is hiding crucial info re his birth. They are energized over it, and have no intention of letting it go. They’re in it for the long haul, however long that may be.
So by all means continue your vain efforts. They seem to give you some measure of satisfaction. Meanwhile, however, just be aware that a new wave of ‘birthers,’ hasn’t fallen for Obama’s lies. They spotted his fraud a mile away—and they’re in it to win it. (Btw, not one of them believes he was born in HI. A major propaganda fail for Obama’s apologists—haha.)
This is true, but you and I both know no such thing will be forthcoming. Neither the Courts nor the Congress have the desire or will to do such a thing. They consider the matter closed.
As long as the state of Hawaii stands by the authenticity of the birth documents that have been seen publicly, there is little that can be done.
They don't stand by them. You can't even get them to admit the one Obama has posted is the one they sent. So far, they've never been put into the position of being forced to support any document.
Until Hawaii takes a stand and owns up to a document, you can't even appeal to your "full faith and credit" argument.
Remember that Obama also has the souvenir birth certificate with his infant footprints from Kapi’olani Maternity and Gynecolgical Hospital.
And we know this how? Because he or one of his sycophants have said so? Why are you so quick to believe what people tell you in absence of actual proof?
I would actually put more stock in a souvenir birth certificate with his infant footprints from Kapi'olani, then I would from anything put forth by Hawaii state government at this point.
No one had any motive for lying when they created one of those.
Because learning facts about adoption and thinking for yourself is just too much trouble? I begin to see some of your problem.
It was 120,000 in the 1990s. I'm pretty sure it's more than that nowadays.
It does, but you can't get many people to seriously consider it. Most of them prefer to believe it's some mad forging conspiracy from the deep dark halls of the Illuminati sweatshops. Ordinary Hawaiian State employee kludgery simply doesn't have any pizazz.
I think the Cold Case Posse has long been on a wild goose chase and for some reason deliberately ignored the obvious. The Document Obama has presented is a legally valid, albeit fake document created by the State of Hawaii in accordance with the normal process for creating replacement birth certificates.
But it's not his real birth certificate. We have yet to see that, if he even has a real one.
I don’t feel motivated enough to hunt up links to rebut you. I fully realize you will dismiss any proof I submit anyways, so why bother?
It is true that it is immaterial to his US citizenship status, but it is not immaterial to the whole issue. Adoption seals the original records and ordinarily results in replacement records being created. The oddities in that document which purports to be Obama's birth certificate can be explained as being the consequence of a state created replacement birth certificate. The normal practice is to make them resemble the typical birth certificates issued at the time of their birth.
One serious and obvious flaw in this one we have seen is that the certification is very different from what was used in 1961. In 1961 they certified it to be a "true and correct copy of the original."
Nowadays they simply certify it to be a copy of whatever they have in their records, and that is a very different thing. You can put whatever a judge orders into the record, but there is only one original.
Arpaio says there’s lot more sensitive information that he won’t reveal in public Maybe, who made it? etc.
“If they can hold a hearing on deflated footballs, surely congress could hold a hearing on this fraudulent document!”
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Catch the part where he says the info will be submitted to Congress?
I believe that is the document to which I was referring. Thanks for that, though I think this is mostly water under the bridge at this point.
All that can be accomplished now is tainting his official acts and pinning him in History as an illegitimate President.
Bttt
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Two different certified document examiners (best in the business
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From two different disciplines on two different continents, neither have contact with the other...
It’s quite clear to me once I watched the video presentation of the evidence, how it was arrived at, analysis, methodology, etc.
Quite clear.
Funny, exactly how I feel about you.
There is a contradiction in the Gillar video shown at the press conference.
According to the forensic document examiners the X in box 7e on Obama’s PDF was both brought over directly from box 7e on the Ah’Nee certificate and it was also copy and pasted from box 6d on the Ah’Nee certificate.
How can it be both?
I perhaps never mentioned it, but I always thought your explanation of an officially prepared replacement BC made sense. At the same time, I attributed what looked to me like amateurish errors to the fact that the final iteration was thrown together under major time/deadline duress.
Now I see it as the state workers just doing what they do: making a replacement BC that was never intended to pass extreme scrutiny. Makes all the sense in the world.
What set the CCP off was the criminal tampering at the National Archives. Someone, if you recall, illegally removed the record of foreign arrivals to HI for the week including Aug 4, 1961.
This is what alerted the CCP to the fact (as opposed to speculation) of Obama’s foreign birth. Had he been born in HI or WA state, there would have been no conceivable reason to remove those records. In fact, leaving them in place would likely have killed the so-called birther movement once and for all. I.e.: if no one connected to Obama flew into HI from a foreign country during the crucial time frame, then it would be much more difficult to argue that Obama was born elsewhere.
But the records were criminally removed. Thus the CCP KNEW they were looking for a foreign birth, and that has resulted in what looks to you like a wild goose chase.
Fwiw.
Can you think of any plausible reason why O Sr would say Jr was born in Honolulu if he weren’t?
I certainly can.
A question on an advancd placement “American Government and Politics” exam might be:
“What was Rutherford B. Hayes called after the “stolen” presidential election of 1876?
The correct answer is “His Fraudulency.”
“No such thing will be forthcoming. Neither the Courts nor the Congress have the desire or will to do such a thing. They consider the matter closed.”
I would actually put more stock in a souvenir birth certificate with his infant footprints from Kapi’olani, then I would from anything put forth by Hawaii state government at this point.
No one had any motive for lying when they created one of those.”
I think “talking” is what we all do in an Internet political forum. I’m sorry to hear about the tampering with your family’s automobile.
Donald Trump addressed the recent flareup of “birtherism” controversy on Friday at his brand new hotel in Washington, D.C., stating unequivocally that President Barack Obama was born in the United States.
“I finished it,” Trump declared, charging that Hillary Clinton started the birther controversy.
http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/09/16/donald-trump-obama-born-united-states-period/
This is what alerted the CCP to the fact (as opposed to speculation) of Obama’s foreign birth. Had he been born in HI or WA state, there would have been no conceivable reason to remove those records. In fact, leaving them in place would likely have killed the so-called birther movement once and for all. I.e.: if no one connected to Obama flew into HI from a foreign country during the crucial time frame, then it would be much more difficult to argue that Obama was born elsewhere.
This is what I was thinking when I learned of that. I think the records might have shown some travel embarrassing to the narrative.
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